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Merlion-Emrys
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I'm going to feel like an idiot if there turns out to be some incredibly easy answer to this...

I use Microsoft word for writting. After some time of trying to find a way to do it, I took to using inserted text boxes to do the whole business of putting both page number and name in the top corner of each page of a manuscript. Same for contact info on the top left corner of the first page etc.

Trouble is, I'm having to insert and modify a box for each page. Is there a better way to do this?


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If I'm reading that right, it'd be easier to go to View -> Header and Footer. There's an option there to insert the page number on the top of the page, and it'll do it automatically as a new page is added.
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I use Word 2003 and all I do is click on 'Insert' on the toolbar and choose page numbers. A small menu opens asking where I want them (centered) and do I want the first page numbered (no). No fussing with headers or footers.

I don't think I did anything special with my toolbar so see if you have an Insert tab.

Your name/title will require header fussing though.


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Merlion-Emrys
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Yea thats the thing, inserting page numbers just does page numbers


I've tried header/footer stuff but nothing has worked so far. Its always too short.


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Too short?

I use headers/footers. I do a header for standard MS formatting, which generally calls for last name/title or word from title of work/page number. I use headers, tab twice to get to the right-justified position, then type my last name, a slash, a word from the or whole title if it's short enough, another slash, page number (using the # sign button on the header/footer toolbar.)

I adjust the font type and size by selecting all, just like in the main manuscript (because my default font is not courier.)

I adjust margins and other global settings when back on the main document.

I haven't had any trouble. Far easier than trying to control the position of a text box on each page. That makes my brain itch just thinking about it.


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Merlion-Emrys
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When I do header/footer, it appears in the middle of the page, and doesn't reach from end to end. And the text is supposed to be in the corners so...
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I'm using word 2003 if that helps any
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I've used word for years, and not had a problem like that. Have you tried typing in spaces to see if that makes the header expand?
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Oooo let me try that...


Only vertically. Not horizontally.

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The header has three "tab" positions. Left justified (sticky to the left), center, and right justified (sticky to the right.) You use the tab key on your keyboard to move from the left to the center to the right.

Most MS formatting style guidelines indicate you should have author last name/title/page number in upper right corner, so when I open header, I tab twice to get to the right justified sticky position, then start typing.

If it doesn't look right, if it looks like it's too close to the center of the document, for instance, odds are good that I have the page margins set incorrectly. I go back to the main document and jimmy the margins on the whole document (I have no idea if the margin functions are available while in the header view.)

From your description it sounds like you're just stuck in the left or center position of the header. Try tabbing again. If you keep tabbing in the header, I believe it will wrap and give you second and third lines, which you don't want. You just want to get to the right-justified position.

Hope this helps.


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You can also set the margin in the header just like you do in the rest of the position. With the header open, hit the right justify and it will be on the right side. As with so many things in Word there are several ways to do it.

But because with ms you generally need to include name and title, headers are usually the best solution.


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Merlion-Emrys
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Well so far no matter what I do all I get is a space about a half inch from the top, in the middle, with its edges about an inch and a half from each side of the page.

Pretty much the only thing I can get it to do is get wider or narrower horizontally.


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Wait...I think I managed to extend it far enough. Now if I can just remember how I did it in the future..

Nevermind. It screws up the margins for the whole document.

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Now I'm going with the idea here that when they talk about putting things in the corners in a manuscript they mean all the way in the corners. And the header doesnt go that far. But am I overdoing it? Is the way the header is far enough into the corners?


And theres the little issue of getting it not to repeat the same number in the header of every page...


Found a way to do that, but as it stands the whole proccess with the header/footer is actually worse than the text boxes


Basically to have something different in the header/footer for each page you have to have secions. But I can't find a way to make sections without either adding extra blank pages, or have to do three or four clicks with each page.

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Assuming by "number" you mean page number, have you tried "Insert--Autotext" or "Insert--Field"? Both these menus lead to a variety of ways of inserting page numbers that update automatically, as well as author name, file name, date, etc.

Before selecting "Insert", position the cursor in the header or footer area. (When you do so, you should see a toolbar called Header and Footer and it offers buttons for page numbers, etc, as a quick alternative to some of the menu options.)

Also, you can control the header and footer format to some degree with "File--Page Setup" and the Layout tab, although it's mostly automatic.

The feature works well in my experience and delivers entirely automatic headers with author name, title of the piece and an automatic page number. If it's behaving badly something messed up, in which case it's easiest (rather than debug the mess) to start with a completely fresh, blank document and begin all over again with "View--Header and Footer." Once it's working properly, import the text from the broken doc.

Hope this helps,
Pat

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Merlion-Emrys
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Yeah I've done all that, still the only way I've found to keep it from copying the same numbers/text/whatever on every page is extremely complicated...far more difficult than just using the text boxes.
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The header/footer feature is designed to copy the same information to each page, so yes, stopping it from doing that will be complicated, if it's at all possible.

I'd suggest:

Use a text box for stuff you don't want copied to each page like the contact info you want on the title or cover page only.

Use a header for the stuff you do want copied to each page like your name and title of the piece. Also in the header, use page numbering autotext to automatically insert the correct page number.

(Some people like to do myName/pageNumber in the top right corner so for me it would look like TaleSpinner/1, TaleSpinner/2 etc; that is a bit fiddly to set up but you do it like this: tab over to the right margin of the header and type Merlion-Emrys/, then leaving the cursor just after the slash hit the insert page number button on the header and footer toolbar.)

In the header there should be no special formatting (aside from character font, perhaps). If you "Format--para" it should be aligned left, zero indents, nothing fancy. By default it has a left tab at the left margin, a centre tab in the middle, and a right tab at the right margin.

If you use the defaults the header will lie outside the normal printed page, just inside the edges of the paper. From your description of it above--"a space about a half inch from the top, in the middle, with its edges about an inch and a half from each side of the page"--it sounds right. It will use the same left and right margins as the main text and they'll be fine. (If for any reason you want the margins for the header different from the main text I have no idea how you'd do that.) When you open the header for the first time the cursor should be at the left; use the tab key to get to the centre and right margin tabs.

Also check the File--Page Setup--Layout tab options, where you can choose to have or not have a header on the first page, different headers on alternating pages, etc. Header and footer should be 0.5" from (top and bottom) edges.

In File--Page Setup--Margins the margins should be 1" top and bottom, 1.25" left and right--in other words, leaving sufficient at the top and bottom for the headers and footers. Gutter should be zero.

And finally yes, one purpose of the Sections feature is, amongst several, to enable you to have different header and footer information in different sections--chapter headings, for example, or for restarting page numbering after a prologue or a preface, or in an appendix.

Hope this helps--if not, I'm out of ideas.
Pat

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Merlion-Emrys
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I appreciate the effort, but for what I need at this point, if thats the only option, it sounds like the text boxes are actually easier in the long run. At least to me.

But thanks anyway to everyone who offered ideas.


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okay, i've got one more. do you have a ruler deal-io at the top of the page? if not, you can go to VIEW and there should be an item on the menu like "show toolbars" or something similar.

When you ve got the ruler put the header on your page and click your mouse inside of it. There may be little arrows appearing on the ruler that show how wide the header is. If so, you can click on the arrows to move them, and that will widen the header.

My last thought. Good luck! Don't let your technology kick your butt!


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I think Pat's explanation is correct but I suspect you got lost in the details. This is really simple, your first post was correct. I believe you aren't using the feature in Headers that makes them worthwhile - autonumbering. Here is how to do it. If you don't want to, that's fine, but others reading this thread may.

These instructions apply to MS Word 2003

Open your document
Choose View - Header and Footer
(Note: If your document has a cover page, do this while your cursor is on page 2 or later.)
A dotted box at the top of the page called "Header" will open, with your blinking cursor in the lefmost position in the dotted box.
Press Tab twice
Your blinking cursor should now be in the rightmost position of the dotted box.
Type your last name, type a slash, type a word from the title of your work, type a slash, then press the # button that is in the "Header and Footer" toolbar that automatically opened when you chose "Header and Footer" from the View menu.
You should see something that looks like this:
KayTi/Magnum Opus/10

It should all be right-justified, meaning the text is stuck to the right side of the screen.

If the margins aren't right, you can choose "Page Setup" from that same "Header and Footer" toolbar, but I recommend setting margins at the global document level and only adjusting the header/footer ones if they are waaaay off. I have never had a problem using the default ones.

Press Close in the "Header and Footer" toolbar.

To check if you did it right, use the "Print Layout" option from the View menu. You should see the header information in the upper right corner of each page in a slightly grayer text than your document text. This is MS Word's way of telling you that text isn't *directly* editable from the main page. To edit that header text, either repeat steps above (view - Header and Footer) or doubleclick on any part of the header you inserted.

Good luck!


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Merlion-Emrys
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Wow it worked...which is weird because I'd tried inserting numbers with that function before, and it insisted on copying the same number on every page.


Well either way, thanks a lot KayTi!


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Sorry I'm so late to this discussion, because my solution is dirt simple for users of Microsoft Word.

Go to Shimmer Magazine's submission guideline page, scroll to the formatting requirements, and download their templates. All the basics are taken care of for you already, including those pesky running headers.

Regards,
Oliver


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