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Geekazoid99
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That's the question
Why would God decide to create the Earth and the universe?

Then if the bible is right and did stay more connected with them back in those times then now. Why does he now ignore us completly and ultimitly?

As of this moment i have no oppinion so i want to hear others so i can decide

(i'm going on a philisophical question rampage [Evil Laugh] prepare for your mind to be blown away with questions)

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Space Opera
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Umm, because he can't stand it when we spell things incorrectly?

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TomDavidson
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He did it to blow. Your. Mind.
Seriously. Trippy.

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Tresopax
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I think He did it because He knew it would be Good... and it is.
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Because he feels like it. Do you honestly think you could understand how a deity thinks and/or feels?
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quote:
I think He did it because He knew it would be Good... and it is.
Except for the part that's not.
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I was going to post "He was bored" but I like Tom's answer better. [ROFL]

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Because he/she/it/ thinks its funny when we screw up.
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quote:
Because he feels like it. Do you honestly think you could understand how a deity thinks and/or feels?
Apparantly, you do.
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It was a science project. He had to create a universe in 7 days. Unfortunately, he only got a C+.
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smitty
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Ummm, no, I don't. That's the point. But, since it's a higher power, I assume if it did something, it did it on purpose.
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C+ more like a D-
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smitty
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wow, some major negativity here.
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quote:
Originally posted by Einstien:
C+ more like a D-

I'd say that he needs to get at least a B- for getting a working physics engine built into the creation. Granted, it's a little overly complicated and hard to understand at some points, but all in all it isn't bad for a rush job.
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quote:
Except for the part that's not.
That's the part that makes it all so good, in a way that presumably heaven could not be.
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Well...I can think of lots of reasons...Some might even be true.

- God couldn't help but create the world, or something very much like it. It's just God's nature to create.

- God needs us as much as we need God.

- God created it specifically so that YOU could ask your questions.

- God couldn't get a decent reuben in Heaven so needed to create a place with lots of delis. Or, the metaphorical equivalent thereof.

- God really didn't intend to create anything that day...In fact the creative act was merely the overly agressive clipping of a deitic toenail, the shards of which went in myriad directions and here we are. As God was about to sweep the whole thing under the rug, God looked and saw...it was good! Or, it was the maids day off and the next Thursday when she came in and asked "Hey God, whaddya want I should do with this Universe you left lying around?" God told her to leave it for later.

As for the the stuff about God ignoring the world in recent times, something strikes me that given the power of God's word (God spoke and the universe was created, afterall), it's possible that we should be happy about God being terse and a little bit distant of late. [Angst]

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Ok i was harsh, but no higher. it didnt turn out very well even for a rush job, his creactions detroy each other way too frequently for a higher grade.
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Juxtapose
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quote:
That's the part that makes it all so good, in a way that presumably heaven could not be.
Umm I think there's a lot of unfortunate people out there who would be a little peeved that all their suffering exists so you can appreciate the difference between heaven and earth.
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quote:
Why would God decide to create the Earth and the universe?

I'm gonna answer like a good Reformer and say:

For His own glory.

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Or a good Mormon:

To bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man.

In other words, He built a school for His children.

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Because it's so cool! The universe was made to be a fabulous toy and playground filled with wonder and keen delight as a present for you. That's right. Just for you.
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Juxtapose
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Was the world built for man, or man for the world?

I'm kind of partial to Danial Quinn's take on this in Ishmael, though I disagree on some of his reasoning.

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quote:
Originally posted by Einstien:
Ok i was harsh, but no higher. it didnt turn out very well even for a rush job, his creactions detroy each other way too frequently for a higher grade.

How do you know that's not intended behavior. Or for that matter, are you really that confident in your ability to set the success criteria for something as immense as creation.

None of us really knows more than a nearly infinitesimaly small portion of what is going on at this very moment, much less in the eons that have passed.

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He's creative?
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quote:
Originally posted by Belle:
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Why would God decide to create the Earth and the universe?

I'm gonna answer like a good Reformer and say:

For His own glory.

Really? Seems an odd thing for an omnipotent god to do. Kind of like someone having kids to prove themselves adult, or, more to the point, the child who cries "Look at me, I can hop!"
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So he could have cheese. Someone had to invent it you know. [Smile]
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It's just His answer to the "What would you do for a Klondike bar" question.
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rivka
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Lu yedativ, yehuyiv.
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Geekazoid99
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Rivka please give a better tranliteration of the hebrew for the class so evryone can understand
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So, my explanation for the creation of the world was actually from a story. I can't remember what story it was at all, but I do remember that God created the earth as a science project. In the story (if I remember correctly) he got a C+. Sorry if I offended anyone here.
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Twenty-nine posts he got out and responded zero. I am waiting for you to philosophically rampage my mind.

When is s/he going to start rampaging my mind,
I asked myself.

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You could go to Kansas and ask a science teacher.
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Does the answer have to necessarily respond to the Islam-Judeo-Christian perspective of creation?

I'm taking a Philosophy of Religion class right now and we're working on cosmology and the nature of God so I have answers/scenarios, but they're all answers to more scholarly depictions of the divine rather than modern mainstream Christianity.

[ January 31, 2006, 05:55 PM: Message edited by: Shanna ]

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"Then if the bible is right and did stay more connected with them back in those times then now. Why does he now ignore us completly and ultimitly?"


Who said He does?

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Geekazoid99
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So you want more Philishophically mindboggeling questions

Ok


What is the point of life
What makes Humanity so much better that animals
Why do we always think that the world was created for us
why do we need to pray to God
why don't any miricles happen any more
Why do the good live bad lives and the bad live good lives
Why do we buy thing from commercials that make not a single bit of sence
Why don't scientist write a version of the bible in a scientific sence (red sea split=typhoon)
Where did THE STORY begin
Why doesn't God just smite the wicked ones right off the earth
Why is there Entropy
Why do we believe ther must be an end to it all
What happenes after death
why do we have to die
Why is there life are we in a big picture heading for a united cause sometime in the future or are we here just to have fun
Why is money considered the most valuble thing
Why are we so selfish
Is there a point to life

Has your mind blown up yet if so please bash your head against a wall [Wall Bash] [Wall Bash]

I give permission for anybody to make a thread on anyone of these questions as long as i get recognition

MAY THE BRAIN POPING BEGIN
POP
POP
POP
POP
POP

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TomDavidson
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Brain Poping? Egad. My brain is non-denominational.
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Shanna
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They'd be more mindboggling if they were original questions instead of the old tired ones.

Or here's a high-stepping idea! Look smart by offering some arguments and proofs instead of questions.

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i Would but i need someone else to start the arguement and i can't do arguments typing

i think too much faster than i type

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rivka
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Nothing was wrong with my transliteration. As for translation, that was indeed conspicuously absent.

I was (and continue to be) in an obscure mood. [Razz]

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rivka, is that even Hebrew? Are you sure your transliteration is correct? *can't figure out what it means*
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*snicker*
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No, it's Aramaic.

I did say I was being obscure. [Wink]

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My brain barely bishoped, let alone poped.

What is the point of life: I answer this in the last sentence, go check there.

What makes Humanity so much better that animals: Computers.

Why do we always think that the world was created for us. I reject your premise. I don't think this at all.

why do we need to pray to God. Who else should we pray to?

why don't any miricles happen any more. They do, they just have a different spelling nowadays.

Why do the good live bad lives and the bad live good lives. Que? Yo no comprendo.

Why do we buy thing from commercials that make not a single bit of sence. Do you do that? Even after recognizing that you are doing it?

Why don't scientist write a version of the bible in a scientific sence (red sea split=typhoon). What would be the point? It'd be mostly guesswork. At best it'd be some interesting speculation. At worst, it'd have to be a thinly disguised attempt to undermine people's faith. Of course, since scientists can ALSO have faith, and some of them are faithful Jews or Christians, they might not see the latter as a valuable goal. I think you are operating under an invalid premise, unless your question was merely posed as idle curiosity.


Where did THE STORY begin. Well, if you read it...it begins at the beginning.

Why doesn't God just smite the wicked ones right off the earth? Maybe for no other reason than to give them ALL a chance to change.


Why is there Entropy. Maybe God doesn't really care that much about organization.

Why do we believe ther must be an end to it all. Well, that's not exactly a universal belief, but for those who do believe in an "end of days" there are myriad reasons for it. Ultimately, it comes down to some sort of conviction that God meant for the world/universe to have limits and that eternity is longer than the span of anything with a physical existence.


What happenes after death. I assume you mean what happens to each of us after we die. No-one really knows, but a lot of people claim to have knowledge about it. It depends on what level of faith you are prepared to bring to accepting whichever answer you settle on. In short, every person who ponders this one is free to arrive at their own prefered answer, and to believe that answer with their own strength of conviction. If you like, you can join a church and learn their answer to the question, and then you can at least have the comfort of knowing that others believe the same thing you do. I, personally, have a very strong conviction that every one of us will be delightfully suprised by how wrong we ALL were.

why do we have to die. Because we aren't smart enough to live forever...yet.

Why is there life are we in a big picture heading for a united cause sometime in the future or are we here just to have fun. Why are those the only alternatives? Maybe there's a big picture and we're heading toward pluralism...Maybe there are many small pictures. Maybe it's all fun whether or not we have a BIG purpose or not. Maybe fun is a subjective thing and so my idea of fun and yours are completely incompatible. This is just plain unanswerable.


Why is money considered the most valuble thing? It's not. Who told you it was? Did you have to believe them?

Why are we so selfish. You could just as easily ask why we aren't even MORE selfish. We are each as selfish as we each are. Selfish is as selfish does (to borrow from the wisdom of Forest Gump). I'm a lot less selfish today than I was 10 years ago.


Is there a point to life. I answered this up with your first question. Go check there.

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I say that if he exists, he just got board and didn't have a TV or the internet so he created something for him to watch. And after getting tired of directing our planet just sat back and is watching the chaos. [Evil]

[ February 01, 2006, 12:12 AM: Message edited by: Advent 115 ]

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quote:
Originally posted by Bob_Scopatz:
why don't any miricles happen any more. They do, they just have a different spelling nowadays.

[ROFL]
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Too far, Advent.
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Sorry. [Dont Know] [Frown]

But I do think that we may just be a form of entertainment for the enlightened one. If he or she exists.

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Bob_Scopatz, you have such patience.

And not to mention tolerance.

[Smile]

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It wasn't the "entertainment" part that went too far; it was the second part.

Which you have deleted, thank you. [Smile]

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quote:
Originally posted by Kitsune:
Bob_Scopatz, you have such patience.

And not to mention tolerance.

[Smile]

And as long as we're not mentioning things, I'll add "a beautiful mind", "a clever wit", and "an admirable skill with the English Language". [Smile]
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