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Ok, so "worship" was the wrong word. It's not like I have pictures of celebrities up along with my Hindu gods and goddesses that I worship each day!
It's more like there are certain famous people who through their work have found ways to touch my life. Because of that, I guess I see them differently then others. It's more like you said...it's a great deal of respect and not so much worship.
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Thanks for the welcome, Noemon. No - I've really not ventured too far around here. I only learned of this forum because a few readers contacted me and told me I was being discussed.
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Hey, rkm were you aware that OSC is writing comics now? I'm waiting to find out if the "comics" bit in your last strip was deliberate or not. <grin>
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Ha! No, I didn't know that. I don't keep up with Marvel, but have a few friends who are relentless Mervelphiles. It was meant as a shot at them.
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hmm, I could see a couple of devious way to spin it, if you want, now that you've given yourself the opening... <grin> AJ
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quote:No - I've really not ventured too far around here. I only learned of this forum because a few readers contacted me and told me I was being discussed.
I thought about emailing you myself, but given that I don't actually know you I thought that it might be a bit odd. And then I kind of forgot about it.
Have a look around, especially on the other side, if you have the time and the inclination to do so. The discussions are ususally fairly interesting, and I've met quite a few great people here.
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Thanks for the invite, but I don't foresee that happening. Considering a few of the replies and some of the emails I've received this past week, I should probably cut my posts after this thread. I'd rather not cause problems.
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I figured that you were unlikely to do so, but I thought I'd extend the invitation anyway. I can't really imagine what kind of trouble you're afraid you might cause though. You seem to be intelligent, articulate, and not an ass, so I don't really see the problem. Not that I'm trying to convince you, of course.
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*shrugs* I get a lot of those anyway, and it's not like I've had a storm of hate in my email box. I've had some from people who felt I was being homophobic, too.
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Homophobic for not roundly condemning your OSC stand-in? Well, it is an issue that people feel passionately about, and it isn't like people have to take an IQ test before they can get on the internet.
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quote: Considering a few of the replies and some of the emails I've received this past week, I should probably cut my posts after this thread. I'd rather not cause problems.
Believe me, you'd fit right in. Well, maybe not. You might have to cut back on the midget porn jokes.
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He didn't say he *wouldn't*, just that he'd be reluctant to. I'm sure he'd do his duty, if goaded frequently enough.
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For what it's worth, I'm a Jatraquera since a pretty long time and I think you would fit in perfectly too, rkmilholland.
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2ndly, am I one of said Marvelphiles? I know I had a few conversations with people where I was Mike, but I can't remember if you're one of the people I did talk to.
3rdly, Darn you for bringing me out of my lurkerhoodom. :-P (I'm mainly here for spoilers...thought about commenting on this, but everything I tried to write felt like I was trying to speak for you.)
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I think Randy's probably long gone, caligoarye--if you're friends with him you'll probably have better luck emailing him or something. Welcome to Hatrack though.
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Hmm, I thought OSC's comment was sarcastic, too . . . I guess it could go either way, since at the end the message was, "don't let it destroy your views of the books", but there was also an implicit assumption that OSC's essay was "wrong" . . .
I can't believe no one mentioned the webcomics GPF and RealLife -- two of my favorites. :-D
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My very first instinct was to think it was sarcastic, just based on the wording. But it didn't really make sense that way, so I took it at face value.
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Of course, it's worth noting that OSC made his post long before the "end message" of the plotline was revealed.
I still tend to think he was being sarcastic, myself. Somehow the phrase "so obviously" strikes me as something that Card wouldn't have used, had he actually been offering serious praise. I could easily be wrong, of course.
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It's right there in black and white if you know the right mathematical formula to apply to the text of Ender's Game.
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quote: I avoid your political columns because I don't agree with them....but I still buy your books, and enjoy rereading them often.
I do not agree with some of OSC's views on things either (you'll be hard pressed to find someone you agree with about -everything- though!). Not only am I not inclined to say someone is a "bad person" because they believe differently than me, but I am also not the type to turn down reading an intelligent, well written essay simply because I won't agree with what's written.
I would actually -rather- read articles I don't agree with than ones I do. You don't learn from only reading one viewpoint on an idea. Just as I would not want the media to leave anything out, or only present one version of the story (which may or may not be correct), I would not censor my own reading either. I -want- to know all sides of the story, and to make up my own mind about whatever the topic is based on more than one viewpoint. To only read one stance on an issue, you're blocking out the possibility of that stance being wrong, and as that has a tendency to happen fairly regularly in the world, I like to keep my options open.
I'm not attacking you or anything, Kwea, or telling you what to do...your statement simply caused me to do quite a bit of thinking about what I choose to read, and I quoted you to remind people where I was coming from. Posts: 24 | Registered: Dec 2003
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Yeah. That's how I feel about his columns. I look forward to reading them each week. Obviously I'm not the only one, despite everyone's protestations to the contrary, because each week somebody else manages to be outraged. If everybody who disagreed with Card ceased reading his columns, they would have nothing to be outraged about, neh?
But then, I also listen to AM talk radio when I'm bored driving around at night--until I'm too sickened to listen further, which doesn't take too long with Savage or Hannity. I can take Dr. Laura a bit longer. (I could probably listen to OSC all day, by comparison. He doesn't even begin to compare to those folks.)
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I went back and reread the comics and OSC's response, and I'm just about convinced that I was wrong and kwea was right. The post seems sarcastic to me now.
I've always wanted to type that, reminds me of people calling in to a radio show. It sounds stupid but it's relevant. I'd post a little bit more about myself but that's not terribly relevant, what is relevant is this topic and how it drew me here.
I've been reading OSC for some time (my favorite work thus far being The Worthing Saga. It's truly a masterpeice), and I've heard rumors of his distinctly conservative bent. I've been a raving left-wing radical for as long as I can remember, and have had homosexual friends since I left the womb of a conservative midwestern high school. What I can say is that S*P was dead on, as it usually is. Your heros are men (one of the lessons in TWS), and as men you'll be likely to disagree with them, their motives, and their viewpoints. What they produce that makes them your hero, however, is the only thing that matters in your calculation of how you estimate them.
That said, I just read the essay OSC wrote regarding gay marriage. It was also dead-on. It's the only time I've read an essay on the subject from a disparate viewpoint from my own without being offended or distraught by it's complete failure to provide a good reason that gay marriage isn't a matter of civil rights. Bravo.
Even if I still disagree. Cheers. I'm sure I'll be following these forums for awhile.
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I just found this thread in a search, looking for something else....
I do read some of OSC's essays, but usually I don't because I don;t always feel that he is telling the truth in them...not that he is lying. He doesn't lie, at least not that I have seen.
But he goes for the extreme type of opinion to create discussions, and I don't usually like that type of discussion regardless of which side of the fence it is coming from.
I hate reading Ann Coulture, Rush Limbaugh....not because of what they say as much as the hate and vitriol they spill everywhere every time they open their mouths. I don't like it when Dem's start accusing every single person who disagrees with them of being cruel and heartless either.
OS's political opinions are a lot different from mine, at least from what I have read in WW. I don't have a problem with that at all, but sometimes I wonder if I am being manipulated when I am reading them. I can't tell what part of the arguments are intended to stir up conflict, although I believe that he really believes what he is writing.
Some of the others I mentioned are a little....soft...on fact finding. OSC researches his topics better than the others, IMO, and I trust him to not lie to me, which is not true of the others.
But when I come here, I don't always want to read a political opinion, I usually want to read and write, or even have an actual debate here with someone.
I prefer to have a stake in a conversation, rather than just read an article I usually disagree with.
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I guess it could go either way, since at the end the message was, "don't let it destroy your views of the books", but there was also an implicit assumption that OSC's essay was "wrong" . . .![[Wink]](wink.gif)
