FacebookTwitter
Hatrack River Forum   
my profile login | search | faq | forum home

  next oldest topic   next newest topic
» Hatrack River Forum » Active Forums » Discussions About Orson Scott Card » Indentity under a leader

   
Author Topic: Indentity under a leader
BlueBambue
Member
Member # 8656

 - posted      Profile for BlueBambue           Edit/Delete Post 
I noticed that, in OSC books, when entities come together under a leader to form something bigger they lose all their identity. I understood philotic threads in a human to each form every atom of the body but there is one bigger philote that then takes over their identities and creates the persons self.
Also the mob that killed the piggies all the people started thinking the same way and had the same motives and ended up doing the same things.
To a lesser degree this also occurs in battle school. The army leaders make sure that all their underlings can shoot the same and maneuver the same. The soldiers were also trained to be in a formation where it doesn’t matter if they switch places with another soldier, because all they are is a number that shoots without thought at the enemy.
The buggers show this lack of identity under a leader. The workers all have the same will which is entirely controlled by the queen.

I was wondering if anybody else noticed this trend or if people think I am connecting strings that just don’t belong together. [Smile]

Posts: 16 | Registered: Sep 2005  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
TL
Member
Member # 8124

 - posted      Profile for TL   Email TL         Edit/Delete Post 
I think you're partially correct, in the sense that you've identified that an important part of teamwork is having everyone on the same page.... If everyone is trained to do certain things exactly the same way, that makes people interchangeable. Which, in a combat or military setting, is of supreme importance.

Where I think you're wrong is that this constitutes a person losing his identity.

Keep in mind that there are different jobs that have to be performed by this team. Different people doing different things as part of the overall strategy. Now, even though the team members have all been trained to behave exactly the same way, as it pertains to whatever job they are doing, a good leader would assign those team members to their specific jobs based upon their strengths and weaknesses as individuals.

Posts: 2267 | Registered: May 2005  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Dagonee
Member
Member # 5818

 - posted      Profile for Dagonee           Edit/Delete Post 
It's important to note that Ender's main advantage over the Hive Queen was the individuality that was maintained. There's a good scene where Mazer shows how cohesive yet individual Ender's fleets are.
Posts: 26071 | Registered: Oct 2003  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Orson Scott Card
Administrator
Member # 209

 - posted      Profile for Orson Scott Card           Edit/Delete Post 
Um ... I just reread EG and am rereading ES right now, and what I see - the military doctrine that I propound - is distributed command. Ender fragments his army's command structure, delegating authority more widely, and leaves enormous initiative to his toon leaders.

He TRAINS all his soldiers - but there is no such thing as a good commander who does not do this. They are all taught the skills and habits they need to survive. Anything else is like deciding your soldiers should die (in real combat). But, as any officer can tell you, training does not make soldiers IDENTICAL, but it does allow them all to stay alive long enough for their individual strengths and weaknesses on the battlefield to emerge.

It's the UNtrained soldiers who all become identical ... because corpses are remarkably similar in battle.

Posts: 2005 | Registered: Jul 1999  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
   

   Close Topic   Feature Topic   Move Topic   Delete Topic next oldest topic   next newest topic
 - Printer-friendly view of this topic
Hop To:


Contact Us | Hatrack River Home Page

Copyright © 2008 Hatrack River Enterprises Inc. All rights reserved.
Reproduction in whole or in part without permission is prohibited.


Powered by Infopop Corporation
UBB.classic™ 6.7.2