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theamazeeaz
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Given OSC's current article about high fructose corn syrup, I ask these questions:

What are the best things for people to eat?

Yeah there's the food pyramid, but people on diets keep talking about cutting this or that. Some people don't eat meat. What foods are the most efficient as far as vitamins go?

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The Mormons say:
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10 And again, verily I say unto you, all wholesome herbs God hath ordained for the constitution, nature, and use of man—
11 Every herb in the season thereof, and every fruit in the season thereof; all these to be used with prudence and thanksgiving.
12 Yea, flesh also of beasts and of the fowls of the air, I, the Lord, have ordained for the use of man with thanksgiving; nevertheless they are to be used sparingly;
13 And it is pleasing unto me that they should not be used, only in times of winter, or of cold, or famine.
14 All grain is ordained for the use of man and of beasts, to be the staff of life, not only for man but for the beasts of the field, and the fowls of heaven, and all wild animals that run or creep on the earth;
15 And these hath God made for the use of man only in times of famine and excess of hunger.
16 All grain is good for the food of man; as also the fruit of the vine; that which yieldeth fruit, whether in the ground or above the ground—

Though many interpret this as strictly vegetarian, you can see there isn't really guidance on dairy and eggs. But there are other passages that speak of moderation, so I guess my souffle diet isn't really going to to pass muster.

I.P.S. When I met my husband, he was vegetarian because that was his interpretation of these verses. But strictly vegetarian Mormons are rarer than democrat Mormons. Both are still good eating, though [Wink]

I was driving along the other day, thinking about how the forest is levelled for the passage of high tension lines, and how the creations of man have to find a balance with nature. I would apply this ideal to food as well.

P.S. I love my Karaoke Revolution Party. Okay, maybe not love. But I really like it a lot. I can also report that it has all different songs from the original Karaoke Revolution, and most of them seem less skanky. (My elementary schoolers all learned to sing "Complicated" from the latter).

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Artemisia Tridentata
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Pooka;
Just for the record, after 60 years living as a part of the "Mormon" community, I have never actually known a "strict" vegetarian. Also, most of my "many friends and relations" are democrats. I know. You can pick your friends. But, you can't always pick your relations.

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Whereas I knew a half dozen, and they tended to be democrats as well with the exception of my husband. But he says he's a libertarian.
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About 5 months ago I was convinced by someone on the evils of high fructose corn syrup. I eliminated it from my diet (along with regular "candy") and I lost 10lbs. within a month or two.

The best thing you can do for yourself is avoid processed foods and eat fresh. It tastes amazing (after your body gets through the withdrawls of being addicted to sugar) and I felt full for the first time without feeling like I needed a nap. I now make "green smoothies" which include apples, oranges, bananas, carrots, and spinich.

World's Healthiest Foods is a resource I found a couple of days ago that details the nutritional value of most whole, healthy foods out there, and it is completely non-commercial (you can't find an ad or anything they are trying to sell). I really like their salad recipes.

Being a Mormon I have often thought about keeping the "very little meat" portion of the Word of Wisdom, but really had little motivation to do so. I now eat red meat maybe twice a month and I am amazed at how much more energy and well being I feel. There is definitely wisdom in eating vegetables, especially your spinich, for so many reasons.

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I was wondering what the reason behind "no artificial sweeteners" was? I've heard all the reasons why HFCS is the worst poison commonly in the American food supply, but sucralose at least was supposed to be fine...

On more solid ground--Karaoke Revolution, any of the versions, is one of the more popular pastimes among my group of friends. I haven't tried the new Country version, though. Of course, there's also Guitar Hero, the greatest rhythm game ever made [Smile] It happened to be good enough to persuade me to actually learn to play guitar.

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quote:
Originally posted by Kent:

World's Healthiest Foods is a resource I found a couple of days ago that details the nutritional value of most whole, healthy foods out there, and it is completely non-commercial (you can't find an ad or anything they are trying to sell). I really like their salad recipes.

Wow, that's pretty much what I've been looking for.

I'm one of those terminally skinny people, and I've always found certain types of diets really weird. If people just aimed for things with vitamins in them, I think a lot of other eating problems would take care of themselves, it least to some degree.

Now I know why broccoli, brussel sprouts, spinach and liver are forced on unsuspecting kids.

Check it out.

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Some feel artificial sweeteners have a similar affect to the HFCS on a different level, in that they stimulate a desire for more calories by triggering the sweet cells. One theory is Beta-endorphin. But it's hard to prove exactly what is involved. Do artificial sweeteners satisfy, or arouse apetite? I don't know because I've avoided them from childhood. I suppose it's a lot like wondering if shooting guns works out your agression or sharpens it, or if viewing porn keeps you from going crazy or makes you crazier.
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Hmm...pooka, somehow I don't think Diet Coke is the equivalent of porn in any way but the artificiality [Smile]
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The anti-aspartame ideas aren't as clear and proven, to me at least, as the fructose problem.

With fructose, it makes perfect evolutionary sense. When our ancestors were clever but forgetful and nonverbal treeswingers, the ones who did NOT process fructose with insulin would never have gotten the signal that they were full when eating seasonal fruits. Therefore, they would gorge themselves on fruit in a way they would not with other foods. This would cause them to eat and eat, building up fat - then the fruits would go out of season and they'd HAVE to stop. But with fat deposits that would help them survive.

so our bodies are set up to gorge on fructose. And those who insert it needlessly into food are counting on that never-enough body reaction to sell more product. Because, of course, high-fructose corn syrup never goes out of season.

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