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Naitsabes
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Right so you mean that had there not been a law against killing that many people would kill. I may have miswrote my comment. People are detered from killing because of the death penalty but just as many people are detered from the death penalty as life in jail. So why choose the alternative that is irreversible and more expensive? Life in jail is reversable, cheaper and has the same detering effect.
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So why choose the alternative that is irreversible and more expensive? Life in jail is reversable, cheaper and has the same detering effect.
This is what's confusing me: where did I express a preference for the death penalty? I simply provided examples of punishment deterring criminal behavior. In fact, my most concrete example was about jail, not death.

If you're making a generic point, that's fine, but it looks like you've been responding directly to me, hence my confusion.

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Keeping them in jail would cost more I believe, like someone before me said...

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Cruel and unusual punishment is really the only punishment that would work with such people that commit murder. Punishment should be swift and just, be rid of this waiting and life sentences, a criminal shouldn't spend his entire life behind bars for murder, he should be killed! A person that kills another unjustly has no place in society, and he must be removed from society by death. Don't lock him away to spend his days behind bars, living off our tax money, just hang or shoot, or lethaly inject him. The means of which you rid of these criminals is of no importance, just send them to their death and perhaps this swift punishment will deter future crime...

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Naitsabes
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Oh, I think I misunderstood your statement. Sorry.
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Cruel and unusual punishment is really the only punishment that would work with such people that commit murder. Punishment should be swift and just
Incidentally, I imagine most people would probably say that "cruel and unusual punishment" is the opposite of "just."

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A person that kills another unjustly has no place in society
"Unjustly" is a pretty hard term to define. Even if it can be adequately defined, I highly doubt it could be agreed upon, and that presents a challenge when trying to sentence someone to death.

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The means of which you rid of these criminals is of no importance
I take this to mean that you believe that once a person has committed a crime, he forfeits any right to humane treatment. If that's what you are saying, then I completely disagree with your position. I strongly believe that even the world's most dangerous criminals are still human and are thus entitled to at least some minimum level of humane treatment, even in death. This is also largely why I don't believe torture is an acceptable method of gathering information.
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The Bush administration is bending the meaning of torture to an extent that some people believe that what they do prisoners in Guantanamo is not torture. I find that sick.
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Yeah, well I see where you are coming from camus but note that when I wrote that I was thinking of how far our justice system has fallen, so I may blown my original idea out of proportion... I hope we can still be friends...???
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