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DDDaysh
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Ok, so in my insomnia last night, I was having rambling thoughts.

I was thinking about how Disney remade Robin Hood as a movie with an "all animal" cast. If "Ender's Game" were to be made into such a movie - what species of animal would be chosen for each of the characters?

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Quite frankly, the thought of turning Ender's Game into fetish fuel for the Furries is terrifying beyond belief.
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Yeah.... Let's not do this.
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I'll let you guess who I think would have to be a beaver.
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I find it sad that people associate the idea of characters as animals with eroticism so strongly. I too love Disney's Robin Hood with the animal characters.
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I'm just imagining Ender looking up at the stars through his window after Peter has gone to bed, doing his big "I want" song.... [Wink]
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some DAYYYYY i will be hegemonNNNNNN

oh god I just died a little inside

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Anderson is Graff's animal sidekick, who accompanies him as they wheel Stilson's body away in the dance number "Third Time's the Charm."
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DDDaysh
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Ok, the only time I have ever even heard of furries was on a weird CSI episode. I didn't think this would prompt anyone to think of them. It was just a weird insomnia thought.

My main problem with assigning animals is that Peter, Valentine, and Ender SHOULD all be the same animal. It doesn't really have to be this way, but it is in Robin Hood. I wasn't sure what kind of animal could really handle all of them.

I definitely see Bonzo as a strutting rooster.

Anyway, I just thought the imagery was fun. I got a laugh at some of the musical numbers you guys picked out. I wonder if the music will seem as corny in the "real life" movie... or if we'll all just hear psychic vibes by then.

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The Wiggins would have to be Grizzly Bears. They are grand, peaceful creatures that are intelligent (for animals) and prefer to be left alone, but will bust your --- with one swipe of the paw when angered.

:goes elsewhere to relieve boredom:

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:-) love it
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Hmm. . . it's unlikely they'd use animals. It's more likely they'd add in a contemporary comedian to serve as vapid comic relief, laden the movie down with catch-phrases and nervous, cowardly characters designed to be "funny" and eliminate all of the tedious character depth and moral issues.
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The Reader
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There would also need to be a fat kid to be the foil. Barney Fife to Ender's Andy Taylor.

Edit to add: You mean catchphrases like "The enemy's gate is down."?

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No, catchphrases like: "Let's do this!" or "Ba-zam!"

They'd add a "token black" character while ignoring OSC's desire to make the battle school conform to normal world demographics.

i.e. there should be plenty of black people (as well as people of every conceivable race in some proportion to their projected populations a couple of centuries from now when a half-dozen "ethnic" countries will surpass U.S. numbers.) Including only one black character with a stereotypical personality (a Hollywood habit to be sure) is patronizing and degrading to some extent as it suggests that blacks only have worth if they fill some predetermined, unspoken "role". I hope OSC gets his way on this and every other issue that would make the movie stand out as an intelligent thriller.

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Chinchillas, the whole lot of them.
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quote:
Originally posted by Clumpy:
No, catchphrases like: "Let's do this!" or "Ba-zam!"

They'd add a "token black" character while ignoring OSC's desire to make the battle school conform to normal world demographics.

i.e. there should be plenty of black people (as well as people of every conceivable race in some proportion to their projected populations a couple of centuries from now when a half-dozen "ethnic" countries will surpass U.S. numbers.) Including only one black character with a stereotypical personality (a Hollywood habit to be sure) is patronizing and degrading to some extent as it suggests that blacks only have worth if they fill some predetermined, unspoken "role". I hope OSC gets his way on this and every other issue that would make the movie stand out as an intelligent thriller.

An argument against that would be that in all of that diversity, a white American kid becomes the hero, thus showing that only white Americans are capable of being heros. We all know that's not really the case. Ender is a first-generation American (Or is that second-gen? I don't know.) and he stops being American the moment he enters Battle School.

I hope Mr. Card gets his way too. I don't want to see a cliche-filled drek fest.

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HEY GUYS! [Big Grin] Been way too long since I was last on... Anyways, on this exact topic, I am making a preview of Enders' Game the movie with some classmates for an English Project/ Book Report thing, and in the way of this thread it seemed like some of you have some opinions on what the movie should be like, and unfortunately since I dont have access to talking animals we are resorting to violence and actually having infantry battles between buggers and humans and I wondered what to do for Bugger costumage..... P.s. good ideas will be rewarded in the credits, and your family will have honor for generations....
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Aren't they supposed to look like big ants?
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quote:
Originally posted by DDDaysh:
Aren't they supposed to look like big ants?

Big bipedal, (though I think they can crawl around on multiple legs as well) hairy ants.

And now I can see Peter and Valentine singing some sort of duet with the lyric, "We're gonna write! - and take on the woooooooooorld!"

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So... would the battle schoolers wear silhouettes of various kinds of humans?

Tall army, short, fat army, athletic army... I think the anorexic army would be a fitting replacement for the pre-ender dragon army. Who could lose when all forty-one soldiers are chain smoking and saying that they have a fast metabolism.

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Mark
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This is a really cool thread idea. I just finished reading the graphic novel Maus, which I highly reccomend. Go google it. In answer to the question:

I like the idea of the Wiggins as Grizzlies.

Bean- Wolverine. Small and deadly
Alai- Dog. a loyal companion
Rackman- Fox
Crazy Tom- Hyena
Bonzo- Rat
Graff- Hippopotamus?

Some of these are pretty tough. These characters are complex.

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The more I think about it, I think Petra is a spider. :-)
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As long as we're talking about the buggers, I'd much rather have them not be seen at all. They're not really the focus.
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Shen is definatly a panda, but that just might be that he's still one of my favorite characters... and that I love pandas. Graff could be a house cat, just to make the transmormation from skinny to fat all the funnier.

Slightly off topic, I think Achilles would be a duck, seemingly innocent and friendly but will turn on you when you dont give him your bread!

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Yes... A murdering, scheming duck... I see him as kind of a stripeless skunk posing as a cat... He reels you in with purring, and flattering and then BAM! You smell bad, or in his case... Your dead...
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I see him as a wolf or a fox. [Razz]
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No - Good wolves are too noble, and bad wolves too obvious. The same with the fox. It's too obvious he's sneaky then. A duck might be good though - it'd be easy to make the waddle pronounced
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Alai being a dog also plays into certain events in Shadow of the Giant.


*Spoilers*
Specifically when Thorn reveals to Alai what all his Wazirs have been calling him behind his back.
/Spoilers.

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Anyone a talented artist? Some renderings could be fun.
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And plus theres the bread referance from Ender's Shadow. When all the kids gave Achilles theyre bread, but he never got bread from Poke or Bean (except once I know.)

Teach the children early that you must have bread for the ducks... they turn so violent.

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Be careful, String, if that happens, we might draw the ire of Disney. Do you really want them to sue for the rights of Ender's Game? It would be about 86 minutes, have five songs, have the same simplistic moral theme as most Disney movies made in the last fifteen years, and then be forgotten. It would be a cult hit among the fanboys.

OTOH, a Disney produced EG might actually be made, and be in theaters for Christmas next year. Another benefit is that it's always easier to get away with naked animals, so that problem is avoided.

I think I would rather see Gary Larson animate the characters. Imagine those panels.

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quote:
Originally posted by The Reader:

OTOH, a Disney produced EG might actually be made, and be in theaters for Christmas next year. Another benefit is that it's always easier to get away with naked animals, so that problem is avoided.

But you would still have the scene where Rose De Nose wears nothing but a desk with animated testicles swaying to and fro.
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OK, Reader, You've just sparked my oppositional disorder. I'm getting on the project stat, Disney be damned!

Now to find a scanner...

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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by The Reader:

OTOH, a Disney produced EG might actually be made, and be in theaters for Christmas next year. Another benefit is that it's always easier to get away with naked animals, so that problem is avoided.

But you would still have the scene where Rose De Nose wears nothing but a desk with animated testicles swaying to and fro.
Bah, because he would be an animal, it would be a puppy licking himself, with everything objectionable hidden.

String, because you are going ahead with the project, why not make each commander the animal that the army is named for? It makes sense, unless you consider that speciesism.

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Vile speciest. Lol its a good suggestion. But would that make ender a dragon? That would be cool
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Isn't he a Dragon later? In the mind game, isn't it a Dragon for him and a unicorn for Val?
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Ender the dragon, Valentine the unicorn, Peter the jackal (or snake depending on what referance you wanna follow) so what would Jean-Paul and Theresa be to have such children?

Heh, re-enact the scene where Peter and Ender play Buggers and Astronauts in your head and you'll be as entertained as me.

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I would actually have Peter as a lion, mostly because I actually view him as the most heroic person in the entire series. And my favorite character. He is the reason Ender even succeeded in any ventures in his life, even if it was him trying to be unlike his 'evil' brother Peter... I always think that Ender immagined it as much worse than it actually was.
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OFF TOPIC--OFF TOPIC

While I admit that without Peter Wiggin the whole Jeesh international throwdown would have destroyed the world, but can anyone forget the squirrel? poor innocent squirrel running through the forest accepts food from a boy and is then skinned alive. That is Mr. Hegemon.

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Oh, who hasn't skinned a squirrel alive?

They were asleep though. Weren't they?

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quote:
Originally posted by Clandestineguitarplayer:
I would actually have Peter as a lion, mostly because I actually view him as the most heroic person in the entire series. And my favorite character. He is the reason Ender even succeeded in any ventures in his life, even if it was him trying to be unlike his 'evil' brother Peter... I always think that Ender immagined it as much worse than it actually was.

Heroic? Sheesh... I mean, I think one of the lessons we can learn from Peter is that no one is monochromatic. Peter was a sociopath, bordering on psychopath. He was also a genius. And he improved somewhat with age. But he was still the malevolent little criminal who almost killed his brother. People are complex. Great people tend to be even more complex.
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If my memory serves me correctly then in Ender's Game Peter apologizes to Ender at night after one of their ordeals and said that he loved him, but somehow Ender always blotts that little bit of information out. I find it ironic that he is now living in the body of his hated older brother and hopefully he will begin to understand that even though Peter skinned a squirrel, (and frankly for a teenaged boy thats not that bad, I punt baby birds occasionally for example) he is still the savior of the Earth at a very delicate time in the history of humanity after the countries were divided against eachother he brought them all together and unified them in the pursuit of colonization. If he hadnt done that then there would have been some sort of nuclear holocaust and everyone would have died... Thats why I find Peter heroic, and under it all, the main protagonist throughout the Shadow series... But to each his own. This is but my own personal views on it... I am sure Mr. Card intended for Peter to be a certain way and if I fall out of line on that one then so be it... I just hated to see him go more so than I did with Bean...
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If we characterize Peter alone, I see him as a Tiger, but that might just be because he reminds me of one of my ex-boyfriends.
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quote:
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even though Peter skinned a squirrel, (and frankly for a teenaged boy thats not that bad, I punt baby birds occasionally for example).

No thats is bad and you have already fallen to the dark side.
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As a kid I used to use a voltage tester and an electric fence to fry grasshoppers. Then I'd feed the toasty critters to my little brothers (or try to anyway). Does that make me a sadist?
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No, it just means you are an inventive chef. Electric-fried hoppers for lunch, anyone?
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Ha ha ha... I have eaten my share of Grasshoppers... They really arent that bad at all if they are cooked right...
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I see Peter as more of a coyote. Wily, seemingly chaotic-neutral. Likes to torture small animals.
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quote:
Originally posted by DDDaysh:
If we characterize Peter alone, I see him as a Tiger, but that might just be because he reminds me of one of my ex-boyfriends.

I recall that Young Peter in either Xenocide or Children was compared to a tiger by Si Wang-Mu.
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Hmmm... maybe that is where the idea stuck in my head. Still, he DOES remind me of the Tiger from Blake's poem.

"What immortal hand or eye, could frame thy fearful symmetry?"

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