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human? did you pick your username merely because he was your favorite character or because you identify with him? just curious.
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because i am briseis. because from that simple question i learned more about you than i ever could if all i did was talk to only you for five years. because i want to know and understand everyone that i can. because i am me. and because this is the part of ender that i carry with me.
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Now, tell me something. What conclusions did you infer from my answer? I just want to see how accurate they are.
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i knew you'd ask. let's see if i did this well... (probably not) you identify with human so that could mean a number of things all on its own but one of human's most prominent motives was acceptance soo...is that what you want? does it mean that you feel alienated? or am i going in an entirely wrong direction? Posts: 99 | Registered: Feb 2002
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hmm...well, human's problem was that he wasn't accepted by another species but seeing as we haven't found any other widely recognized sentient species that can't be it. soo... that would mean you're the alien. except that your case is worse because you don't even feel accepted within your own group, your own species. you feel alone. utterly and entirely alone. did i get it right?
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Congratulations. You are very astute. I don't know enough about the Illiad to do the same for you, I'm sorry to say. Let me ask you the next best thing: who in any of the Ender related books do you identify most with?
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Which Ender? Ender the child, fighting for some peace, a cause he doesn't understand? Or adult Ender, weighed down with his guilt, speaker of truth, a compassionate man?
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the latter. ... i just read the "teens" thread. your anger was justified. and now i know why you feel so isolated.
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If you'll read the only Afghanistan thread I was foolish enough to participate in, you'll understand more fully...I have the terrible gift of being able to see from other people's points of view. Something that is rarely acceptable.
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oh god...i'm sorry. i've never know someone with the same "problem" i do. more of a blessing turned barrier i'd say. is it the same way with you?
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My analysis...tentative as it may be, is this:
You, like Ender try to speak the truth as you see it. But instead of welcoming you, people shun you because of it. Truth often hurts, as it forces you to look at many things that you don't want to. It is a rare person who invites that, much less tolerates it. So you, too have a sort of isolation because of who you are.
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Yes...I think that way too. You should have seen my cousin's face a week after 9/11 when I told her that I understood Bin Laden's reasoning, even if I didn't agree. Up to that point, she had been comparing him to Satan. You can see where that placed me.
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yes, but you didn't do that. why? ...is empathy tangible to you? i mean, do you feel it, as if someone is pulling gently but forcefully at you heart?
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This is very surreal. Never before have I encountered someone who knew what I feel so accurately. No one. Before now.
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its almost frightening. but right when it scares me most i get pulled back in. may i have your screen name? i think we're providing too much opportunity for gossip talking like this.
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Jeez you two. Get a room, er, I mean start a new thread or something.
I mean, I came here looking for discussion of my poetry (without, of course, having to read anyone else's). And what do I get??? Not one post about me, but a bunch of stuff about whether Human and Briseis are on the same wavelength...
Arrrrrrrgggggghhhh.
Thread killers! Threadocides!
(just kidding. Please, continue.)
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Bob, your poetry has given me deep insight into your personality. I never knew there were other people out there who don't share my personality. It's amazing. I feel a wave of relief.
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Wow, Human, talk about wussy fan-boy bonding.
Just kidding. I, too, can see other people's point of view, but while this, in you, seems to have engendered an increase respect for them, mine has pretty much created an intense hatred of the whole thing. I'm wrong almost all the time, other people are wrong almost all the time, hell, we're all probably wrong almost all the time, so why the **** should I put up with other people's poitns of view if they aren't internally consistent? In a discussion, I thus do my utmost to demolish opposing points of view, unless I respect the person voicing them are are fond of them.'Tis all.
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Sorry for hijacking the thread, guys! The conversation has since moved to email, and your threads are safe!
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What’s funny to me is that this thread seems to reach back into the Tolkeinesque Depths of Time when the First People to Walk the Earth were posting here. But that was only 1999. Two and a half years ago. Not much has changed since summer ‘99. OK, I got married in the intervening time, and now we have a little girl, but other than that…. So why does it seem like such a long time ago here? What a weird phenomenon.
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I have always believed that poetry's primary function is to enable two people who are looking for soulmates to fool each other into thinking that they've found one.
I wrote it this summer, when I was doing a German course. An impression on the dormitory.
Klaustrophobie
ich schliesse die zimmertuer hinter mir die welt lass ich draussen alleine in der leeren kabine des weltraumschiffs geometrische figuren ohne phantasie stammen aus dem dreissigsten jahrhundert voellig unangebracht fuer ein junges maedchen in ihrer sturm- und drangzeit mit ersten lieben ersten trennungen
weisser kalter steriler raum -der krankensaal wird die romantik heilen
I'm going to work on the translation now, but if anyone so wishes they may translate this for all the hatrackers who don't speak German.
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ha...ha...ha. oh well. kama: even though i don't understand a word of german i'm sure it was a great poem.
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thanks. I actually don't think it is, but oh well... I like to show off. Um, can anyone tell me what 'Sturm und Drang Zeit' is called in English?
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