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Briseis1000
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human? did you pick your username merely because he was your favorite character or because you identify with him? just curious.
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Both. Very much both.
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Why do you ask?
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Briseis1000
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because i am briseis. because from that simple question i learned more about you than i ever could if all i did was talk to only you for five years. because i want to know and understand everyone that i can. because i am me. and because this is the part of ender that i carry with me.

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That sounds very strange, even though it makes a kind of sense...
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did i answer your question?
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Yes...sort of.
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Now, tell me something. What conclusions did you infer from my answer? I just want to see how accurate they are.
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i knew you'd ask.
let's see if i did this well... (probably not)
you identify with human so that could mean a number of things all on its own but one of human's most prominent motives was acceptance soo...is that what you want? does it mean that you feel alienated? or am i going in an entirely wrong direction?

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Keep going...

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Briseis1000
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hmm...well, human's problem was that he wasn't accepted by another species but seeing as we haven't found any other widely recognized sentient species that can't be it. soo... that would mean you're the alien. except that your case is worse because you don't even feel accepted within your own group, your own species. you feel alone. utterly and entirely alone. did i get it right?
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want me to delete all that so no one else can read it?
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Congratulations. You are very astute. I don't know enough about the Illiad to do the same for you, I'm sorry to say. Let me ask you the next best thing: who in any of the Ender related books do you identify most with?
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No need to delete. People can take whatever meanings they want from it. I don't really care.
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hmm...this is harder than answering what i figured out...
ender. not briseis. ender.

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Which Ender? Ender the child, fighting for some peace, a cause he doesn't understand? Or adult Ender, weighed down with his guilt, speaker of truth, a compassionate man?
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the latter.
...
i just read the "teens" thread.
your anger was justified.
and now i know why you feel so isolated.

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If you'll read the only Afghanistan thread I was foolish enough to participate in, you'll understand more fully...I have the terrible gift of being able to see from other people's points of view. Something that is rarely acceptable.
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oh god...i'm sorry. i've never know someone with the same "problem" i do. more of a blessing turned barrier i'd say. is it the same way with you?
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My analysis...tentative as it may be, is this:

You, like Ender try to speak the truth as you see it. But instead of welcoming you, people shun you because of it. Truth often hurts, as it forces you to look at many things that you don't want to. It is a rare person who invites that, much less tolerates it. So you, too have a sort of isolation because of who you are.


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Yes...I think that way too. You should have seen my cousin's face a week after 9/11 when I told her that I understood Bin Laden's reasoning, even if I didn't agree. Up to that point, she had been comparing him to Satan. You can see where that placed me.
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yes, but you didn't do that. why?
...is empathy tangible to you? i mean, do you feel it, as if someone is pulling gently but forcefully at you heart?

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This is very surreal. Never before have I encountered someone who knew what I feel so accurately. No one. Before now.
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And yes, it feels like that.
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its almost frightening. but right when it scares me most i get pulled back in.
may i have your screen name? i think we're providing too much opportunity for gossip talking like this.

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I don't have AIM...but will email work?
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i think this is faster.
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Not if you check your mail often.
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Briseis, what if you set your email to check itself--oh, wait...your email tells you when you've got mail, doesn't it?

[This message has been edited by Human (edited February 24, 2002).]


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Jeez you two. Get a room, er, I mean start a new thread or something.

I mean, I came here looking for discussion of my poetry (without, of course, having to read anyone else's). And what do I get??? Not one post about me, but a bunch of stuff about whether Human and Briseis are on the same wavelength...

Arrrrrrrgggggghhhh.

Thread killers!
Threadocides!

(just kidding. Please, continue.)

[This message has been edited by Bob_Scopatz (edited February 25, 2002).]


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Bob, your poetry has given me deep insight into your personality. I never knew there were other people out there who don't share my personality. It's amazing. I feel a wave of relief.
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Wow, Human, talk about wussy fan-boy bonding.

Just kidding. I, too, can see other people's point of view, but while this, in you, seems to have engendered an increase respect for them, mine has pretty much created an intense hatred of the whole thing. I'm wrong almost all the time, other people are wrong almost all the time, hell, we're all probably wrong almost all the time, so why the **** should I put up with other people's poitns of view if they aren't internally consistent? In a discussion, I thus do my utmost to demolish opposing points of view, unless I respect the person voicing them are are fond of them.'Tis all.

Tally-ho, pip-pip and all that rot~
Aelysium


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quote:
I never knew there were other people out there who don't share my personality

Pere, that's one of the funniest things I've read on Hatrack in months!!!

Good one!!!



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Sorry for hijacking the thread, guys! The conversation has since moved to email, and your threads are safe!
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What’s funny to me is that this thread seems to reach back into the Tolkeinesque Depths of Time when the First People to Walk the Earth were posting here. But that was only 1999. Two and a half years ago. Not much has changed since summer ‘99. OK, I got married in the intervening time, and now we have a little girl, but other than that…. So why does it seem like such a long time ago here? What a weird phenomenon.
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Doug J
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Insanity?

Yes, they've told me.
They all have told me,
that i'm a little weird.

When i do,
what i do
I ask what they fear?

I'm not right?
I feel alright.
This has gone on so long.

Time has told me,
answers for me.
Too insecure for a song.

Yes, they've told me.
They all have told me,
that i'm a little weird.

When i do,
what i do
I ask what they fear?


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I have always believed that poetry's primary function is to enable two people who are looking for soulmates to fool each other into thinking that they've found one.


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I have a feeling that's directed at me.
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I thought the sentiment was rather inhuman myself.



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May I have one in German?

I wrote it this summer, when I was doing a German course. An impression on the dormitory.

Klaustrophobie

ich schliesse die zimmertuer hinter mir
die welt lass ich draussen
alleine in der leeren kabine des weltraumschiffs
geometrische figuren ohne phantasie
stammen aus dem dreissigsten jahrhundert
voellig unangebracht fuer ein junges maedchen
in ihrer sturm- und drangzeit
mit ersten lieben ersten trennungen

weisser kalter steriler raum
-der krankensaal wird die romantik heilen


I'm going to work on the translation now, but if anyone so wishes they may translate this for all the hatrackers who don't speak German.


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ha...ha...ha. oh well.
kama: even though i don't understand a word of german i'm sure it was a great poem.

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thanks. I actually don't think it is, but oh well... I like to show off.
Um, can anyone tell me what 'Sturm und Drang Zeit' is called in English?

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I don't like poetry very much, so I wrote a poem explaining myself:

Poetry, it seems to me
Is abuse of the “Enter” key
The subject artificially
Ripped from its closing verb

Why cannot the poet see
The ideas of her poetry
Are conveyed more effectively
In plain, prosaic words?

All the poems of history
Are nothing more, essentially
Than op-ed columns cleverly
Disguised as pretty verse

Let us tell it as we see
Eschew nebulosity
Without its crutch, can poetry
Speak to our best and worst?

Feelings expressed honestly
Without tearjerking homily
Or punctuative trickery
To clothe the writer’s soul

I suppose it’s not to be
If poets deigned to write plainly
Then all the world could clearly see
The breaking of the poet’s spell

Peace
policy


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Policy,

You seek to touch what you must taste,
want to grasp and pinch for ripeness.
You measure out in teaspoons
the pinches, the handfuls,
the seasons.

You pull a net across the sky,
and wonder why the wind keeps blowing.

It rhymes when it's time;
it finds order in chaos
and breaks
where it must
because prose ain't all
it's cracked
up to
be.

You dig?
Deeper.

[This message has been edited by TomDavidson (edited February 26, 2002).]


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I call this piece "Comments? Criticism?"

Comments? Criticism?

I can but wonder what is amiss
AH! There it is!
An Ass To Kiss

Comments? Criticism?


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Oh, are we getting all metapoetic now?

-----

soundbyte

poetry is a lot like advertising
if they remember it well
well they remember it

sex moves so
watch every head turn to watch
and somewhere behind the calvin klein
cummings is saying the exact same thing


I realized, too, that the link to most of my poems in the earlier parts of this thread is now long dead. Here's the update: http://www.plastic-castle.com/tom/poetry.shtml


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Dead links:


Departed from us,
known in no history book.
Like servents to the greats,
only to be overlooked.

Markers in time,
signs of a lost city.
Events march on,
waiting to be used when ready.

Where did it lead?
What were we to follow?
Something grand and great?
Or evil and hollow?


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404 Not Found:
Look on my works, ye mighty,
and refresh.


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A song lyric perhaps?

If I had a dollar for each time I thought of you.

If I had a dollar for each moment I wished we were two.

Oh if I had a nickle for each time I wish'd I had you on my motor-sickle.

Well, baby, I'd have Two dollars and thirty-five cents.



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advice for bank robbers



if you shout/they’ll understand.

your gun.
it speaks
focus (attraction)

fascination. (rubber soles
good for marble floors.)

don’t. pull.

remember (in/grab the cash/out).
moving parts cleaned oiled (in/out)
in. out.
lovingly in dark, no
precision/timing/concerns.

damp. (they’ll find you there)
no.
don’t think.
they’ll accept/ what it says.
not friends/but respect.

don’t (speak).

cut the thread (speak).



now.


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