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I've shared it with non-SF fans who loved it and with people who hated it. It seems to depend on if they "don't like SF" because they're really not familiar with it, or if they have a strong prejuduce against it.
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Wasn't there a movement in hatrack some time ago to do just this? I think a couple people left copies of EG and the Alvin series in public places, with the instructions to read it and leave it for someone else.
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I dunno, you guys. If you're going to spread OSC's books like that, it kinda sounds like you're disciples of him, spreading his word. You should at least try to spread the Bible as much as OSC's books. I'm sure he'd want you to do that, read his thoughts and beliefs section. My opinion is that you can make a suggestion here or there, but don't get overzealous of OSC. 1st Commandment, people. And Juniper, can you believe that some people have never heard of God?
Just my opinion, sorry if I offended anyone.
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I think the bible has enough people spreading it (the physical manifestation) right now. That, and it has many freely available online versions. And people will often send one free (I believe the LDS church does this). Enders Game does not have such adherents spreading it in the same way. Nor should it (not for the same reasons at least). But the bible does not have a shortage people to help spread physical copies. Enders Game does.
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*sigh* I just can't win Someone always makes an excuse not to do something cause they're too lazy. I guess I'm not old enough to be posting here anyway. Oh well, at least I'm learning things. Posts: 36 | Registered: Feb 2003
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hydralisk, no one's making excuses because they're too lazy to spread the gospel; they simply want to share something beautiful (for example, the Ender series which I notice is in your list of interests as well) with others. This is why the religious terminology is so apt. However, many of Mr. Card's readers are in no way religious and so do not feel the need to spread the word about God, who has fairly widespread publicity anyway.
The missionary terminology used about 'evangelizing' people to read OSC is just a metaphor, not an indication of literal discipleship. (afaik...) For myself, when I direct people to good books, I refer to it as 'proselytizing' or, alternatively, 'dealing.'
Don't give up posting because you're young or people argue with you. The induction process is rigorous but you typically come out a better person for it.
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Heh. I am certainly not lazy. My argument stems from the fact that, while the value of the bible is great (even to nonbelievers like me), the marginal value of another person spreading physical copies of it is significantly less than the marginal value of a person spreading copies of enders game. This is not an argument from laziness, but from utility. I would even argue that, in effect, everyone already has a bible, or can at least receive a free one at minimal effort. Therefore its pretty useless to become an additional person spreading copies around. The situation with enders game is obviously different.
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I'm also not lazy...but I'm not Mormon. And even though I'm Christian...oh, I think we've all heard what I think about proselytizing.
I don't know...I've gotten a few friends to read Ender's Game, and they've loved it. But....I did have one tell me that she thought the language was too juvenile. The book just didn't use big enough words for her. Oh, well.
ph: *laugh* but it used 'peripatetic'! Is that not a big enough word? Though actually that may have been Speaker for the Dead - I just remember the second time I read whichever book it was, these long years ago, I saw the word and thought, "I've never seen that word before. But I've read this book, this very copy, before... Has it been here the whole time?? *panic*"
What do you mean, I panic at stupid things?
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I actually remember reading that word, too, and I then started using it (along with Aristotelian, which I learned when I looked up peripatetic). I'll check, but I recall it as more of a Speaker word -- nobody in Ender's Game really was peripatetic.
Checked -- it's Speaker, near the beginning of chapter 5.
ph: Tell your friend to read William Styron to get it out of her system (specifically Sophie's Choice; not sure if all his work is like that). Have her make an honest list of all the words she doesn't know. I think it would be cool for a bunch of people to do that and compare lists. Like a contest!
OK, but seriously, all of you need to read Sophie's Choice. I've never read another writer ever who used the language as beautifully - and thoroughly - as Styron.
edit: Don't think it's escaped me that I'm using an OSC-spreading thread to spread another author. I scoff at your silly on-topic comments!
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I know that most people have a Bible! I didn't say that you should hand out a copy for every OSC book you hand out. I simply said that you should spread the Bible as an idea. But I guess you have a point about people being interested in OSC's books more. Well, I guess it's ok to spread his books. [Opinion converted, quite easily I might add. You and your convincing words] Posts: 36 | Registered: Feb 2003
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Hydralisk, you could use Book Crossing to release some work by C.S. Lewis or some of the new Christian writers. There's a very interesting allegory called Arena I've finished recently that is excellent.
For the love of God, please don't send out any of the Left Behind tripe!
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Belle- I just signed up and was trying to decide what to release, I decided on either[u]Speaker for the Dead[/u] or [u]Out of the Silent Planet[/u] as the two books that had affeccted me the most. Then I decided on [u]Out of the Silent Planet[/u], just to be original. I just can't win. Posts: 4655 | Registered: Jan 2002
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Why not the Left Behind Series? You don't agree with it? I'm not saying I agree with them, I'm just wonderin' your opinion, cause I started reading them and I got to the third book. I got bored so I stopped.
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Basically, because the writing is horrific. And if people judge all Christian fiction by that tripe, then the genre will have even a worse reputation that it currently does.
The worst things to happen to Christian-based fiction is Left Behind and those ridiculous romances where "atheist boy meets Christian girl, she rejects him, then prays for him, he converts, they live happily ever after"
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But I secretly kinda like the ones with rakishly handsome pirates where the heroine gets to say "Unhand me you ruffian!" (or any variation thereof)
Dirk knew he should resist Lissande. She was not right for him - she was the daughter of the only man he had sworn to kill, the spawn of his enemy. But after saving her from a fate worse than death, drowning in the Atlantic like so much kelp, and being forced to live with each other the on same ship - Dirk's ship, his first love - he could not stop thinking about her long brown hair and melting eyes. If only he could stop. If only she would not appear before him every time he close his eyelids at night. If only the very thought of her soft skin and full breasts did not cause him to break out in a cold sweat. If only...
But some cruel twist of Fate had brought her here. He could not deny it. Standing on the bow of the ship, his rough hands caressing the ship's wheel while his bulging muscles almost unconsciously tamed the wildness of the ocean, his eyes followed her as she walked across the wooden boards, seeming like an ethereal creature. He had to know, once and for all. He had to know.
"Smitty!" Dirk snarled, and handed the wheel over to his first mate. Smitty didn't need to ask what Dirk was up to. He already knew.
Following Lissande into the cabin, Dirk waited for the right opportunity to have her alone. Lissande crossed the dining area and then went into the hall. As soon as she almost to her room a hand caught her upper arm and swung her around. Then two, well-toned arms pinned her against the wall. Feeling like a trapped bird, she gathered her courage and looked straight into the eyes of her captor. Straight into the eyes of her father's nemesis. Straight into the eyes of Dirk...
"Lissande," Dirk whispered into her ear, his mouth mere inches from her own. "Where were you going?"
"That is none of your concern!" she said, all of her passion manifesting itself into anger.
"I think I know," he responded with a devilish grin. He then grabbed her shoulders and, after handling her roughly while opening her cabin door, forced her in with him.
"Unhand me, you ruffian!" she nearly shreiked. "Unhand me! I..." but Lissande could not finish for sobbing.
Dirk then gently gathered to him. He then knew how hard it was for her. Living on the ship of her father's enemy, never knowing what was to become of her, feeling the same tension he had been experiencing...
"Lissa, Lissa," Dirk whispered, again and again. "I just need to know. I need to know what you would do if I did this..."
And then Lissa looked up into his eyes. His eyes like fire, smoldering and piercing her. Paralyzing her were she stood.
Dirk looked down and saw the sweet swell of her breasts pushed up again his chest. He knew he could never let her go, even if he tried. His lips descended and all at once found hers...
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The "steering wheel" as you call it is typically in the after section of a boat. Kelp cannot drown, I think, unless it's in underoxygenated water. How is drowning a fate worse than death?
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Several people in my English class are working on "converting" my teacher. We all wrote about how much we like Ender's Game, and we've convinced her to read it. She has my copy right now, but I think she has yet to read it.
The reason the Left Behind series isn't that great is because it sacrifices the story in favor of the message. Oh, and as far as I can tell, it suffers from a severe case of red-shirt syndrome. The main characters don't die, but everyone else does. It's rather contrived.
Ahem. Having had time to compose myself, ! I think you did a good job capturing the heroine's keen intelligence and sparkling wit , but I'm not sure her vibrant sensuality quite came through as strongly as it might have. *laugh*
And Rakeesh: I'll be holding unofficial auditions later tonight behind the bleachers in the gym. Finding the right leading man is so important!
She looked over the rolling hills of her beloved Scotland, knowing it was the last time she'd see her homeland. How does a woman endure something like this, Belle asked herself. How does a woman leave something like the love of her land to marry the cold and unyielding form of the English?
She thought of the man she was to marry. As cold as his culture, as refined as his station. Tall and devilish and hard. But she thought she had seen a bit of softness...
Belle allowed her mind to float back to the night of the masquerade ball. The night she let herself slip out of her small station and into the life of nobility. That was the night that everything came crashing down. But it was also the night she met her raven...
Tall, like her new husband, with jet-black hair and a similar devilish grin. Belle remembered how he had led her out of the ballroom into an antechamber. With the music still flowing the background he had take her to him. He had pinned her to the wall, letting his mouth search her's out. Letting his tongue plummet to the depths of her soul. And she had let him. Oh, had she let him! He had only said one thing that night, after the torrid moment where his mouth had sucked her will to live without anything but him, after his hand had wantonly explored the mounds of flesh flowing from her bodice. "Bella..." he had whispered in her ear. Had he known who she was? Was it simply a term of endearment in an unknown language? Or, was it the words of a man who would one day come for her? A man who would be her's...
Suddenly, it hit her. The same height, the same hair, the same devilish grin. Could this be the same man as her soon-to-be-husband? Had the man she could not know as anything but harsh and unyielding be the same man that had melted her own iron steel into the rippling pools of desire upon the antechamber's floor?
Could he be the man that Belle knew she could love? She thought once more of that kiss, and the familiar stirring in her loins flared up once more...
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Though actually that may have been Speaker for the Dead - I just remember the second time I read whichever book it was, these long years ago, I saw the word and thought, "I've never seen that word before. But I've read this book, this very copy, before... Has it been here the whole time?? *panic*"
