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Toretha
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No, not for class work, just started thinking about the ideas and am being driven nuts by not having a name to put to them. He had this depressing idea that everyone was controlled by their desires and the only way to escape this control was in aesthetics or by living a life completely denying all pleasure except aesthetic pleasures. Ideas? anyone?
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Apostrophes?
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*thwap*

I remember learning 'bout this. It could be Plato, but I'm not sure it's platonic. Crap.

I KNOW it's a greek philosopher.

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Toretha
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No, it isn't we covered the greeks really early, and I can remember all their names. It was someone we covered around the time we covered Heidegger, Kant and Kierkegaard. And it was someone who believed in God.
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It's Aristotle. And it would've started with the ancient greeks and later philosophers went from there. [Wink]
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Schopenhauer?
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Actually that is a theme that is fairly constant throughout a lot of philosophers (Eastern and Western) over a lot of ages, so its hard to say for sure who you're thinking of. But if I had to guess...

Is it possible you're thinking of Spinoza?

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Toretha
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Zal, YES, thank you! that's it! *hugs*

and thanks, to all of yall for helping me in my crazy quest for a name [Big Grin]

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Not an exact fit, but seems to be in the right direction:

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Schopenhauer's violence-filled vision of the daily world leads him on a quest for tranquillity, and he pursues this end by retracing the path through which the will is objectified. Schopenhauer discovers more peaceful states of mind by directing his everyday, practically-oriented consciousness towards more extraordinary, universal and less-individuated states of mind, since he believes that the violence that a person experiences, is proportional to the degree to which that person's consciousness is individuated and objectifying. He believes that with less individuation and objectification, there is less conflict, less pain and more peace.
One way to achieve a more tranquil state of consciousness, according to Schopenhauer, is through aesthetic perception. This is a special state of perceptual consciousness, where we apprehend some spatio-temporal object and discern through this object, the Platonic Idea that corresponds to the type of object in question. In this special form of perception, Schopenhauer maintains, we lose ourselves in the object, we forget about our individuality, and we become the clear mirror of the object. For example, through the aesthetic perception of an individual tree, we perceive shining through it, the archetype of all trees (i.e., the Ur-phenomenon, as Goethe would describe it).

Source: Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy

EDIT: Glad to be of help. I figured it was him.

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Have to get a plug in here for my main man, the great Romanian poet Mihai Eminescu.

Schopenhauer's philosophies heavily influenced Eminescu. That influence is especially present in his epic poem Luceafarul (or Lucifer).

[ September 03, 2003, 08:20 PM: Message edited by: Zalmoxis ]

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Toretha
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It was the name I was looking for, thanks!
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I was going to say Freud.
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Dirt Man Dan.

It's this guy who lives in a box in an alley behind my building. I've heard him say something like that before, but at the time I thought he was just drunk.

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T_Smith
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That reminds me of a Monty Python Song...
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Anyone who doesn't think jehovoid is the funniest person on the board is blind.

BLIND.

[ September 05, 2003, 03:19 AM: Message edited by: Ralphie ]

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