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Bugger #1
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He makes me sick.
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Robespierre
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Phelps is a drunk.

[ October 16, 2003, 12:00 AM: Message edited by: Robespierre ]

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fiazko
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people like him are the reason i avoid the news.
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Holy cow.

Er, or rather, unholy cow.

[Frown]

That guy's really disgusting. His words condemn him over and over as not being in line with the gospel he professes to preach.

"God hates fags" indeed.

I wonder how he feels about hypocrites. And sanctimonious bastards.

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It seems Phelps has Issues. In my opinion, people should take the advice in the URL and just stop reacting.
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Xavier
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Let him put it up, all it will do is waste 15,000 dollars of this idiot's money.

People will deface and possibly destroy the stupid thing almost immediately, and it won't change anyone's mind on the subject. If anything it will backlash against this fool's agenda.

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Phelps and his gang picketed a church near here a few years ago. I thought the church handled it very well they asked people please NOT to show up to counter-protest, but to come after he left and help scrub the street where hed been.
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I wonder how he'd feel about my foot up his.... [Grumble]

That's just... I hate that that's newsworthy. If everyone ignored him, he'd get discouraged and go away, the big bully.

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Far be it from me to promote vandalism, but anyone want to take bets on how long it would be before someone decided to "improve" such a statue?

Or perhaps another group could put up their own monument to Phelps. I'm thinking that the verse about "whitewashed tombs" would do nicely.

[ October 16, 2003, 12:19 AM: Message edited by: Shigosei ]

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I hate the fact that he had the gall to protest the funeral. Gah! I mean, supposedly, he got his way, right? The "f-- got what he deserved", didn't he? Why couldn't he just leave the family alone?

[Frown] [Frown] [Frown] [Frown]

Sometimes I hate people.

[ October 16, 2003, 12:21 AM: Message edited by: sarcasticmuppet ]

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Yeah, it's people like him that make it so hard to be a Christian. I know that most people realize that guys like Phelps are nutcases, not at all representative of Christianity, but I'm still ashamed to be sharing a religion with him. Heck, I'm ashamed to share a species with him.

Why can't people like him just go away and let the rest of us love others as Jesus intended? [Cry]

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I've been aware of this person and his so-called "ministry" for a long time. The thing I can't understand is, how can anyone have that much hate in them? He goes out there and specifically tries to be mean and hateful and hurtful, and calls it doing God's work.

Well, he ain't doing the work of any God I believe in.

Edit to correct stupid spelling.

[ October 16, 2003, 12:45 AM: Message edited by: littlemissattitude ]

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Laurenz0
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In fairness to Phelps, it does say in the bible that god detests homosexuals. I quote exactly.

So if the bible says it, it must be true right? Think about it.

edit: mind you, thats the new literary translation, which leaves no room for metaphors.

[ October 16, 2003, 12:53 AM: Message edited by: Laurenz0 ]

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mackillian
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And all this time, I thought the Old Testament was in Hebrew.
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I don't think the issue right now is whether or not homosexuality is moral (unless, of course, you succeed in turning that into the issue), but rather the way this guy promotes that agenda. We have quite a few hatrackers who passionately believe that homosexuality is a sin, but I suspect--I believe--that they would condemn this man's actions as well, at least insofar as he claims awareness of the status of a person's soul, and his turning a family's mourning into a carnival of hate.
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Laurenz0
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but rather the way this guy promotes that agenda
But what a better way to raise awarness than what he is doing now, marching at the funeral, that will make people notice.
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mackillian
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We aren't allowed to say who goes to hell. That's god's job.

Or so I've been told.

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rivka
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Laurenz0, awareness of what? Vicious hate? His absolute lack of love or kindness or even simple courtesy?
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Laurenz0
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Vicious hate of sinners, you have to understand that. Its okay because they are sinners.
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rivka
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NO.

Vicious hate has NO place. It blinds, it says "The ends justify the means."

Hate should be of sin, not sinners, in any case.

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mackillian
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Are you playing devil's advocate?
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Xavier
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Please tell me you are joking.

If not, then you scare me.

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Well, if you're going to hate everyone who sins, I really think you should start with yourself.
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Are you playing devil's advocate?
Not quite, I'm actually going somwhere with this. See, while all you seem to hate the man and think its wrong absoloutly no questions, which actually goes against one of your philosophies, hate the sin not the sinner.

This man is like any other crusader, he is fighting very hard for something he belives in and won't stop at anything. You could compare him to martin luther king. Just think about it.

Everything this man has been born and raised with tells him that being gay is a horrible sin. And look, he sees it rising up all around him. And he is trying to do everything in his power to rid the world of a great evil.

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Pfft. I never said I hated the man. He just isn't one of my favorite people. [Wink]
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Yes. She's trolling. I actually don't mean that in the "evil" sort of way that Cedrios has done it, but she's clearly trying to get a rise, perhaps to make the debate more interesting.

-o-

Where does that statement come from, that God loves the sinner but hates the sin? That would seem to imply to me that it's not OK to hate just because "they" are sinners.

Worst case, they are unrepentant of their sin of homosexuality. Clearly, he is unrepentant of his own sins of hatred, pride, and self-righteousness. I do remember where Jesus said people should take the log out of their own eye before they concerned themselves with the splinter in somebody else's.

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Whoops, forgot to get to where I was going.
I see this man as misguided. But he would see me the same way. I just feel sad that there is so much hatred in the world. And nothing we can do about it.

[ October 16, 2003, 01:19 AM: Message edited by: Laurenz0 ]

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We have quite a few hatrackers who passionately believe that homosexuality is a sin, but I suspect--I believe--that they would condemn this man's actions as well
Bingo. At least for me. I believe that homosexual intimacy is sinful, but persecution is persecution, and it SHOULD NOT STAND! I find it revolting.

The way I see it is, love the sinners, hate their sins. Don't hate the sinners.

Homosexual persecution is one of the biggest hypocrisies that I know of today, especially if the persecutors claim to be Christians.

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Laurenz0
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quote:
She
She?

*feels groin area*

whew, scared me for a second.

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[Confused] Did the she apply to me, because I wasn't trolling, I was just commenting on what Laurenzo had just said. [Confused]
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Megachirops
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Being disgusted by somebody's actions is not the same as hating the person. If I knew him, I probably would be guilty of hatred, but at my distance I can be more coldly analytical.

Comparing him to King is specious in the extreme. I'd like to see you justify that comparison with something less nebulous than "they both fought for something they believed in," and get into specifics of how they attempted to achieve their means.

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Icky, AIM. *glare*
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While I can't claim to hate this man personally, I do hate his actions, the idea of him, and everything that he represents.

And I'm not Christian, so I can hate whoever I want [Razz] .

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Megachirops
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I was referring to Laurenzo. My apologies for the gender confusion. Something in one of his earliest posts here made me think he was a she.
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fiazko
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i'm with nick and laurenz0. i think a good portion of th world's conflict comes from people refusing to see any way other than their own. believing that someone is wrong is no grounds for condemning them. it's their actions and/or beliefs that should be disputed. imagine how much more peaceful the world would be if people would just agree to disagree.
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but he's commiting the same crime of hating the sinners. He's attacking the people, not the sin
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We aren't allowed to say who goes to hell. That's god's job.

Or so I've been told.

Agreed. [Smile]

He who is without sin, cast the first stone. Not an exact quote, but good enough to get my point across.

[ October 16, 2003, 01:26 AM: Message edited by: Nick ]

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but he's commiting the same crime of hating the sinners. He's attacking the people, not the sin


Its my turn to agree (and I don't like to agree)
Yes, your right. But I was just pointing out why he is doing it. And you can really make him sound quite noble (however you spell it). Its just sad that people think like this.

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I don't need stones!

I have my stick! [Big Grin]

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i'm with nick and laurenz0.
I get the sense that we're all actually in agreement on that one.

(Hence my statement.)

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quote:
I don't need stones!

I have my stick! [Big Grin]

*takes away mack's stick*
*gives her nun-chucks instead*
[ROFL]

jk [Smile]

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fiazko, how can you agree with both Laurenz0 and Nick? There doesn't seem to be much overlap in their positions.

Don't even think it! *glares*

[Edit: Wait, wait, missed a post! Nevermind.]

[ October 16, 2003, 01:33 AM: Message edited by: rivka ]

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Megachirops
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He who is without sin, cast the first stone.
Well, I was raised Catholic.

In our gospel, Mary showed up and beat the snot out of the woman.

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I get the sense that we're all actually in agreement on that one.

yeah, it seems to go that way on this site. We need to get some people with completely differant value systems in here.
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You know, Laurenz0, some people consider reaching agreement a good thing.

Not something to try to prevent or bemoan.

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See, while all you seem to hate the man and think its wrong absoloutly no questions, which actually goes against one of your philosophies, hate the sin not the sinner.

This man is like any other crusader, he is fighting very hard for something he belives in and won't stop at anything. You could compare him to martin luther king. Just think about it.

Everything this man has been born and raised with tells him that being gay is a horrible sin. And look, he sees it rising up all around him. And he is trying to do everything in his power to rid the world of a great evil.

i agree with laurenzo in that i condemn the guy's actions, not the guy himself. everyone has just as much right to their own beliefs as they do to their own opinions. i think that where the right stops is with inflicting those beliefs/opinions on other people. no one is the ultimate authority on anything and to behave as such is against everyone else's rights.

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The way I see it is, love the sinners, hate their sins. Don't hate the sinners.

again, condemn the guy's actions, not the guy himself. they may not be saying the same thing, but they're on the same side, and thus far, that's the side i'm on. not that this is a war anyway.
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ok, rivka. didn't get your edit before i posted.
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Do people think he has First Amendment rights to do this?
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Got to love Leviticus. I figure they could hold the stonings right after these people appear on Jerry Springer:

20:9 Any person who curses his father or mother shall therefore be put to death. Since he has cursed his father or mother, he shall be stoned to death.

20:10 If a man commits adultery with a married woman, [and] she is the wife of a fellow [Israelite], both the adulterer and adulteress shall be put to death.

20:12 If a man has intercourse with his daughter-in-law, both of them shall be put to death. Since they have committed an utterly detestable perversion, they shall be stoned to death.

20:11 If a man has intercourse with his father's wife, he has committed a sexual offense against his father. Therefore, both of them shall be put to death by stoning. Any man or woman who is involved in [the practices of] the mediums or oracles shall be put to death. They shall be pelted to death with stones, and thus stoned to death.

20:27 Any man or woman who is involved in [the practices of] the mediums or oracles shall be put to death. They shall be pelted to death with stones, and thus stoned to death.

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I never did like football.

Leviticus 5:2 Or if a soul touch any unclean thing, whether [it be] a carcase of an unclean beast, or a carcase of unclean cattle, or the carcase of unclean creeping things, and [if] it be hidden from him; he also shall be unclean, and guilty.

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20:99 Any man who interferes with the catch of any kind of pop-up ball in a championship series shall be put to death. Since he has cursed his team, he shall be pelted with beer and garbage.
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