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i'm quite new in this forum (mostly i used to be in the orson scott card forum)but i didn't notice this topic up yet (correct me if im wrong) anyways... i was wondering if there's anyone interested in lord of the ring around here. anyone read the book or(god forbid )watched the movie before reading the book or (even worse )just saw the movie? what did you think of it? your welcome to give any comments about it... me, half my time is spent discussing it with my friends. (among the other books we argue about )and i would love to hear(for a change)other opinions.
p.s. please excuse my horrid spelling. i was told that reading helps. it doesn't.
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Raphael, welcome to the forum! Yes, there is a large LotR fanbase here. We have discussed it quite a great deal. There's a hatrack get together scheduled in Atlanta over MLK weekend in January to watch all three movies, dress up, etc. It's called Wenchcon, after the Lord of the Rings Wenches (a subgroup of jatraqueras) but all hatrackers are invited.
There's a RotK countdown thread , where people are counting down the days until the movie is released. Check back through the forum and you will find lots of LotR discussion, as much as your heart could desire. We even have a few who study elvish languages and geneology.
I had a question the other day that I never authoritatively resolved. Is Elrond Luthien's grandson? I know Elrond's father was Earendil, and he had the silmaril to guide him to the west, but was Earendil the son of Beren and Luthien? I can't remember that step, and didn't find it in a search on Google. Do you know the answer to that question? If so it means Arwen was Luthien's great granddaughter. I was just curious as to what their relationship was. I'm thinking of going as Luthien to Wenchcon.
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There are already quite a few threads on the subject of LOTR, including at least one on the first page. If you see threads that use the word "Wench" in the title, you'll find that they often have to do with LOTR in one way or another. There is a fairly large group of us getting together to watch ROTK together. I'll go look for the thread and link to it, if someone doesn't beat me to the punch.
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The Silmarillion contains some pedegree charts. According to those, Elrond is the son of Earendil and Elwing. It is through Elwing that he is decended from Luthien. Elwing is daughter of Dior and Nimloth and Dior is the son of Luthien and Beren. That makes Arwen Luthien's Great-great granddaughter. She is also the granddaughter of Galadriel.
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You know what's even worse, Scott? They're capitalizing on Elvis's alleged death for the third film. Does their greed know no bounds?
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quote: Earendil, called Half-Elven, The Blessed, The Bright, and The Mariner. He was the son of Tuor. He was married to Elwing of Dior at the mouths of Sirion. He made a ship in Arvernien, and sailed with Elwing to Aman to plead for help against Morgoth. He was then set with the Silmaril, brought out of Angband by Beren and Luithien, and was made to travel the skies in a new boat of Mithril and Elven Glass until the end of the moon and sun. The boat was named Vingilot, but men saw it as a new star, and called it Gil-Estel, or the Star of High Hope. He had the choice of which race to be judged under, and chose Elves, for his wife, Elwing's sake for his heart was rather with his father's kindred. Elrond his first son also chose to be judged and counted as one of the firstborn, but Elros chose to be with the race of men.
quote: Elrond Halfelven was the son of Earendil and Elwing, and chose at the end of the first age to be one of the firstborn, remaining in Middle Earth until the end of the Third Age. The master of Imladris or Rivendell, and keeper of Vilya the ring of Air which he received from Gil-galad, he was counted among the wisest people in all Middle Earth. He was the herald at the battle of Dagorlad for Gil-galad, and advised Isildur to destroy the one ring. The advice was not taken then, but was taken later at the Council of Elrond. He wedded Celebrian and had three children, Elrohir, Elladan Arwen , before taking Aragorn after the death of Arathorn . After the War of the Ring he passed over the sea with the Ring-bearers, and many of The Wise, but not Arwen, for she stayed with Aragorn.
quote: Elwing, Meaning Star spray, Elwing was the daughter of Dior. She escaped form Doriath with the Silmaril brought out of Angband by Beren and Luithien. She wedded Earendil at the mouths of Sirion and went with him to Valinor. When Earendil sailed the skies Elwing did not go with him, but waited instead in a white tower on the Eastern shores of the western lands. It was said that she could fly like a bird from that tower, because Ulmo had given her that shape once before, and she would fly to meet Earendil. She and her children, Elrond Elros, had the choice of which race to be judged under, men or Elves, and she chose to be counted among the Elves, along with Elrond, Earendil, who chose this for her sake, for his heart was with the kindred of men rather, and the people of his father.
quote: Dior He was Thingols heir, and son of Luthien. His daughter was Elwing
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Okay, Luthien, Dior, Elwing, Elrond, Arwen. So she would have been Arwen's great-great-grandmother. Thank you! That is what I wanted to know. How did you get that so quickly? Is there searchable text of LotR online somewhere? (I mean Silmarillion.)
Oh, and thanks to you too, Law Maker. I see that you got there first.
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As you can guess, we've coded all the Lord of the Rings talk with initials. For all newer Jatraqueros here is a small list.
LotR== Lord of the Rings. FotR== Fellowship of the Rings TTT == The Two Towers RotK== Return of the King
Sim == Simarilion C&CE== Cute and Cuddly Elf (Legolas) LomLA== Love of my Life Aragorn. WOWBAMF== Why (Aragorn)Or (Legolas) When Both Are More Fun
(Note, these last three I have never used, but some have, which kind of explains why these Wenches want to have a Wenchcon)
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Te real thread for tis is Counting down to ROTK, I speak elvish so I am about as obsessed as they get, go there now! It is much better.
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I am a recovering film first, film only fan. I'm trying to read the book but I'm a little short on spare time lately. (no one look up how long I was continuously posting to Hatrack yesterday). I may not get to the ROTK portion of the book before the film comes out.
I was a firm LOTR naysayer in the beginning. I was reading the intro to the "thicker than the bible" combined edition, and puh-lease. It took until June of 2002 before I realized FOTR was never going to the dollar theater so my husband and I broke down and went to see it. I have been trapped ever since in Unabashed Fandom
It is odd reading the books, TTT is especially really different. My brother's favorite line of the movie is when Sam is at Osgiliath and cries "we're not even supposed to be here". I'm amazed that there haven't been more complaints about the plot difference. But I guess when people say this adaptation is "true" to the books, it's kind of like OSC's definition of "true", meaning not accurate.
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Personally I don't think the adaptation of FotR was that true, and there were a lot of things about the TTT adaptation that bugged me as well, although none of them as deeply as what bothered me about the first movie.
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i think the movie was really great but not because it was "true to the book" it seems to me that the movie was trying to give us more of the FEELING of the world.to draw a picture of middle earth in our minds. thats why i think that anyone who saw the movie without reading the book is realy lacking because there is so much you cant show in the movie (like for instance the friendship between logolas and gimli. it is SO underdeveloped in the movie it makes me want to cry)
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Any enjoyment I once had from Tolkien's series has pretty much been spoiled over the past few years by obsessive fandom and disgusting misuse. Thank you internet.
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The mythos is definitely served better in the film than most people believed would be possible. I remember checking out the cartoon version before TTT and I actually fell asleep. I think the movie plotting is fairly ingenious, it's just confusing how they've actually made some stories longer in the midst of totally removing others. But I do think it is very well done. Harry Potter, by comparison, is simply a live action illustration of the book. I'm a film-only relative of fans, and I'm continually like "What is going on?"
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i know what you mean when i watched the film with my friends the whole time i was explaining whats happening and important background stories. there is definitly a lot lacking in the plot i still LOVED IT. and legolas they definitly did HIM good. in case you were wondering, im a girl
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Whereas before the internet you could enjoy the sensuous rubbing up and down of two grown people dressed in animal costumes, NOW it's just become overplayed.
Is that what you mean, EG?
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No. I mean before the Internet, people like me (sweet, innocent, almost virginal) would not be confronted by people like you (furry) who, thanks, to the Internet, think its ok to be them (furry). It's not. Really, it's not.
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quote: No. I mean before the Internet, people like me (sweet, innocent, almost virginal) would not be confronted by people like you (furry) who, thanks, to the Internet, think its ok to be them (furry). It's not. Really, it's not.
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You know, I think this thread is too long. We need to make some cuts. I propose we eliminate the following, and save them for the extended edition of the thread: 'I like Lord of the Rings.' 'You know what's even worse, Scott? They're capitalizing on Elvis's alleged death for the third film. Does their greed know no bounds?' 'The phrase "squicked out" just isn't strong enough.'
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*pokes at thread. decides there's enough life left to contribute*
hi, raphael. we met in the hip music thread.
i am a lotr fan. however, i didn't read the books first, and i'm not ashamed of that. i tried. at least i tried to after i saw fotr. i coulnd't do it. i couldn't get through the prologue of fotr. after becoming well-acquainted with the first two movies, i decided to take another crack at it. i am happy to say that i am well into fotr. unfortunately, i don't think i'll make it all the way through the three before rotk. i am ok with this. i actually think it is to my advantage to see the movies first because i'm not bogged down by inconsistencies. in reading fotr, i noticed that the differences begin almost immediately, but i understand why peter jackson did what he did, and i think he did a fine job. however, i will say that i am not a bigger fan of the movies or the book so far. i like them both a lot.
i definitely recommend the movies, and the more i read, i definitely recommend the books as well. just try to keep an open mind for both.
*gently pats thread and leaves it in peace*
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I tried to read the books for years before the movies came out, but I never managed to get further than Tom Bombadil. After the first movie came out I just forced myself to sit down and read - I read them all in five days.
So here are my tips for those who want to but just can't get through the books:
1)Be prepared to sit through some dull stuff first off - you know it's going to get more interesting.
2)Don't get angry when you realize that Tolkien has left out your favourite movie moment.
3)SKIP Tom Bombadil the first time you read it. If you want to, you can read this bit second time round. Honestly, I love Tolkien, but I think Jar Jar Binks is Tom reincarnated.
4)Don't expect huge amounts of characterisation - you never get 'inside the character's heads' but who cares - you get to know them gradually and the story makes up for it.
5)SKIP the poetry. Some of it is lovely, but it's not terribly exciting and first time round you probably won't care about the mythology behind middle earth. Especially skip the 'cow jumped over the moon' song. (I really hate that one).
6)Pick a favourite character (if you don't have one already) from each of the four groups Aragorn-Legolas-Gimli-Gandalf Sam-Frodo Merry-Pippin Other characters, eg Galadriel-Treebeard This is because if you have only one favourite character eg. Aragorn, you'll get fed up when you realize he's not in half of the second and third books.
7)Be patient - it's so worth it when you get to the end - because you can now start all over again.
Edit - oh and do read 'The Hobbit' and if you have kids make them read it. I have always LOVED that book.
quote:3)SKIP Tom Bombadil the first time you read it. If you want to, you can read this bit second time round. Honestly, I love Tolkien, but I think Jar Jar Binks is Tom reincarnated.
That is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. Don't ever use that analogy again.
Thanks, though, I was wondering who would get my "ignorant comment of the day" award. Yay for you!
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I should have been more clear, I'm sorry. I just really couldn't stand that part of the book and I think that there are many others like me out there. I started reading FotR about ten times, and every time I got to Tom Bombadil I just gave up. The section, while charming in it's own way (I suppose) does not move the story forward and Tom is rather hyperactive (I just find him irritating. You are entitled to your own opinion). He also does not appear anywhere in the rest of the story, so I don't think skipping it the first time would mean that you would miss much story wise. So I should have said - If you get put off by Tom, skip him and read the rest. If not, keep reading.
I know this advice works, by the way, because I gave it to two of my friends who had the same problem with Tom as me and they now love the books (which is amazing as they usually hate anything in the fantasy genre). One of them has even got into the Tom section in a big way now. I'm sorry if I offended you, I appreciate that many people love Tom, but I feel that if this is putting people off reading the book altogether, that is a greater loss.
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actually, i kinda liked the poetry. i loved to read it out loud to my siblings. it got such a ... well, poetic sound. but it sometimes is annoying . it could like break up the flow at some points
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