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Janger
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In the year 2001, our brilliant president of the United States, George W. Bush declared the end of terrorism. " A war to end all wars" is what he was implying with that statement. He wanted terrorism to end, whatever his definition of "terrorism" means.

Is it just me or has anyone else noticed the rate of terrorism seemingly has actually gone up. I mean we didn't hear about these many suicide bombings before good ol' prez Georgey started this pathetic excuse to purge the world of evil.

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Eruve Nandiriel
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Actually, we did. It just wasn't as big news.
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Hegemon_Locke
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I think in actuality the president simply wanted more respect from other countries.

Headline reads: " George Bush Ends World Terrorism."

He wasn't in office that long and I think he just wanted to make a statement to make an impact, to end up as history. But we already know that he's in history as " Worst President Ever"

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Pericles
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His main idea was to go after Osama Bin Laden but after that proved to be too difficult, he moves on to an easier subject and completely forgets about his main objective which lit the fuse to this whole vain plan of the extermination of something that is infused with the human psyche. Anger, violence, and vengence.
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HollowEarth
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So are we suppose to be suprized that in trying to rid the world of terrorism (admittly a basically impossible goal) it caused an temporary increase?

No. Not seeing a supposed increase, whether in actual events or in media coverage would suppose that there were no terrorists to begin with. Consider it like hitting a bee hive with a stick. holy crap, it produces more bees, until you actually destroy the hive.

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Jon Boy
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quote:
He wasn't in office that long and I think he just wanted to make a statement to make an impact, to end up as history. But we already know that he's in history as " Worst President Ever"
Oh, yeah. That's already a historical fact. [Roll Eyes]
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It's hard not to imagine the Comic Store Guy behind that statement. [Smile]
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TomDavidson
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I remember the day I first noticed the wasp's nest outside my old house. When my parents went to destroy it, it was pretty big -- must have been around for a few months, at least -- but we'd never really seen it before; it was near our neighbor's yard, so I guess they bothered him more than they bothered us.

When my dad went to destroy it -- in what I'll quickly admit was not the wisest of fashions -- the wasps went nuts. I didn't know how many wasps there were in a nest back then, so it was astonishing to me to see the cloud that poured out to sting him. He WAS stung, of course, a few times, but so was the nest. Over the next month, though, we saw wasps everywhere in the back yard.

Do you get the point?

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Jon Boy
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The point is that we should buy a wasp trap?

"When I have a bee in my bonnet, I take my hat off."

Ten points to the first person to identify the source of that quote.

[ November 20, 2003, 03:34 PM: Message edited by: Jon Boy ]

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Consider it like hitting a bee hive with a stick. holy crap, it produces more bees, until you actually destroy the hive.
Exactly. Problem is, there is no plan even conceived of how we could eventually destroy the hive. There's a lot of talk about "fighting" terrorism, but not too much about how it could ever possibly end. After all, we can bomb known terrorist camps, but the organizations can always survive underground and rebuild. No?

In short, we CAN'T destroy the hive - it would keep coming back. So instead we are doing the equivalent of poking the hive over and over, because we can't think of what else to do, and we feel we must do something. And there's really only possible two results of this: We continue getting stung over and over till the end of time, or we eventually get stung badly that we die.

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TomDavidson
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There are multiple points.

1) When taking out a wasp's nest, you shouldn't hit it with a stick and then try to burn it with a grill lighter.

2) When you know wasps are in your backyard, you pay more attention to them.

3) While taking out a wasp's nest does not make more wasps, it makes the ones who used to live there very angry.

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You know what's really humiliating? I read the quote about the bees above, thought "Hm. I'm being paraphrased in a very odd way," and only then realized that somebody else had made the exact same analogy first. [Smile]

[ November 20, 2003, 03:39 PM: Message edited by: TomDavidson ]

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Scott R
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Dummies. Call a beekeeper.
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Robespierre
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quote:

our brilliant president of the United States, George W. Bush declared the end of terrorism.

Wow, I could have SWORN he said there was a long long fight ahead, and that there would be more terrorism. Maybe I am wrong, maybe he actually said their would be no more terrorism.

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He wanted terrorism to end, whatever his definition of "terrorism" means.

Yeah, what a jerk.

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Is it just me or has anyone else noticed the rate of terrorism seemingly has actually gone up.
I would say that the rate of terrorism in the US has "acutally seemingly" gone down. Like zero instances of terrorism in more than 2 years.

Are you trying to make a point?

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WheatPuppet
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Scott R is the person of the day for that comment.
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Morbo
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Jon Boy, that was one of Jimmy James' aphorisms, from the TV show Newsradio.
Jimmy James' quotes. I loved that show, the whole cast was great as well as the writing. Newsradio gave me a crush on Maura Tierney that continues even now. Thank God she landed a role on ER.

What were talking about? Oh yeah, bees. Like Saturday Night Live has done with one-joke skits for the past 15 years, I'll take this analogy and beat it till it's dead, dead, dead.

While land surveying on my last job, twice I ran across what my experienced foreman called "bee bushes." I tried to look it up on the web and couldn't find a reference to them. These bushes apparently smell nice to bees, wasps, yellow jackets, hornets, every kind of stinging insect you can name. The 2nd one I saw had at least 3 different species of stinging insects swarming around it, flying in formations like bombers with fighter escorts. Creepy.

Essentially what Bush has done in the invasion of Iraq is to plant a big bee bush there. Now terrorists from all over the world are swarming to the scent (as well as home-grown Iraqi insurgents, who are not really terrorists when they attack military targets--call then "mud-daubers".) Bush even challenged terrorists to come to Iraq a few months ago, saying, quote, "Bring it on."

This tactic has merits yet also has risks. It allows us to draw out terrorists and invites them to attack military targets instead of N. American civilian targets, which is a time-honored goal of American foreign policy, fighting our wars overseas instead of here in the US. One reason 9/11 was so shocking to us all.

However, the bee bush smell may linger for years, [edit: and our troops could bring the irresistable smell back home to the US with them] and cause more problems than it solves. That is debatable and impossible to predict. [Dont Know]

[ November 20, 2003, 06:00 PM: Message edited by: Morbo ]

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quote:
"You got more paranoid fantasies than Stephen King on crack"

BILL: "Give a man a fish... feed him for a day... Teach a man to fish..."
JIMMY: "And he spends all his time in the basement tying flies and neglecting his personal hygiene."

Two quick quotes from the Jimmy James link above. [Big Grin]
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Jon Boy
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Ten points to Morbo. Good job, and thanks for the link.
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Pericles, I wish people would stop saying Osama bin Laden has been forgotten about. There are still plenty of soldiers searching for bin Laden. But since there has been little success we don't hear much about it. When they find him, I'll make a big fuss to let you know, okay? [Roll Eyes]
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