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Continuing a bit from above, I think you'll find the strongest Democratic contingents to be in blue collar workers (this is waning), women, and aftican americans. And that rich people, particularly white, male rich people, are generally Republican.
To support the non-wealth related assertions above, note the statistics cited in this article: http://members.aol.com/digasa/stats76.htm (There are plenty of others around if you care to search).
Considering white males have a significantly higher average income than non-white and non-male groups, this is also circumstantial evidence that richer people tend to be Republican.
In particular the high percentage of Democratic voters among women, african americans, and blue collar workers belies the idea that Democrats are rich elitists, especially when considered with statistics which show wealth is if anything an indicator of Republican voting tendencies.
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quote: Rhaeger, you should give it up, Bush is a bad President even for true conservatives. Thanks to his gigantic deficit spending we are now pursuing a weak dollar policy and our even our great gandchildren will be paying his lunacies off.
Conservatives do no crusade around the world for "natural/human" rights. ( just in case you think this is some sort of acceptable reason for Iraq)
Conservatives do not clamor for the loss of civil liberties even if it were for some noticeable increase of security.
Conservatives are Realist War theorists, they fight all the wars that they have to, but ONLY the ones they have to. Do you think we HAD to fight the war in Iraq? What would have happened to us if we didn't? Please don't tell me you believe the Bush administration's 5th alteration on the WMD line: "well, he could possibly have gotten them over time and used them on us." Face it, even Bush in his own words has pretty much admitted WMD was nearly all a hoax.
For these reasons and many more, Bush is not conservative, and he shames Edmund Burke every time he calls himself one.
I won't even dignify the stupidity of that with an answer.
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So, too stupid for a response, but not too stupid to repost? Did you really mean stupid? I can see that you don't agree, but is it really stupid?
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Rhaegar, you don't have the foggiest idea what a conservative is in the classical sense. Heck, you don't even have the foggiest idea what a conservative is in the current sense. And under neither definition is Bush a conservative.
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quote: conservatism.- a political philosophy based on tradition and social stability, stressing established institutions, and preferring gradual development to abrupt change
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Ha. Rhaegar doesn't like the fact that someone pointed out what conservatism really was. I can't think of someone more disruptive to stability and more iccurring of rapid, unstable change than Bush.
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If Rhaegar wants to consider himself a conservative maybe he should read up on what it means to be one. Edmund Burke's criticisms of the French Revolution is a good basic text for him. They explain the reason that believing in "natural" or "human rights" is dangerous because it leads to despotic, crusading governance. Rights and liberties come from the state and what the people encode and ensure the state protects for them.
As for Realist War theory, it's basic for conservatism.
If you want to be a Neo-Conservative that's fine, but don't drag Conservatism through the mud with unnecessary wars, massive fiscal mischief and the sacrafice of personal liberties and agency for false security.
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I personally supported the fact that Saddam was a bad guy and needed to be ousted, but it didnt go deeper than that. And now this WMD so messed up I have to laugh at it. The Bush administration loves Saddam right now because he's their only smidgen of justification for the war now.
"There was a DEFINITE possibility that Iraq could get in contact with people that could possibly have a connection to what we could consider WMD." (pick up a phone)
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