quote: On the issue itself: the Atkins diet is not overboard, it DOES allow for the necessary carb requirements, it simply cuts out net carbs from refined sugars and processed white flours, etc. Whole wheat carbs and the like are all allowed.
That may be true, but there are portions of the diet that disallow all carbs. And since when do people follow directions correctly, anyway? Eh?
Anywho, here's my obligatory condemnation of the Atkins diet... It might work for some people, but it made me violently ill, and I don't want to repeat that ever again. My digestion and metabolism slowed, and I was groggy and miserable most of the time. So.... yeah.. Atkins no worky for me.
It might work for other people, but I'm ashamed that I tried it without it having been researched a little bit more...
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Turning soil would do it, too. Chopping wood. Painting. Raking. But we hire out or use a mechanical device whenever possible. We use roto tillers, chainsaws, student painters, and self mulching mowers. It is so much more fun to get outside. We rely on SO much being done for us. No wonder our nation is overweight. Exercise has become such an expensive thing. Why? Why do I go to Curves(400 bucks a year, about) instead of out for a walk or a ski, where I wouldn't have to pay a dime? For that matter, why do I have to pay for some diet program, when all I really need to do is eat less? It's whacky. I am such a sucker.
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Dude, you need to stop trying to make this personal. If you think that people a couple thousand years ago (let alone today) have the same digestive systems, you are ignoring science and logic. If you "learned" that carbs weren't eaten in hefty portions by healthy peoples throughout history, you learned wrong (and someone lied to you). If you cannot back up your claims when modern biology and anthropology contradicts what you claim, your bitching about a degree means jack and squat to the effectiveness of your claims. In other words, you could have a PhD, but if you can't back up what you say with scientific fact, you're selling snake oil.
quote:On the issue itself: the Atkins diet is not overboard, it DOES allow for the necessary carb requirements, it simply cuts out net carbs from refined sugars and processed white flours, etc. Whole wheat carbs and the like are all allowed.
Only in small amounts, not the daily recommended. Daily recommended as far as the American Health Association, and (not-so) coincidentally, Atkins has made public claims the AMA are out to get him.
Listen, you have done zero to back up your claims, and yet you're more worried about turning this into a personal issue with me than into a debate about the actual topic. If you're "bored" of this, then that's a good thing. Maybe we can get back to the actual topic.
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No joke, that's what I did today. We're digging up and turning the soil in my flowerbeds, getting them ready for spring planting. My kids worked with me until they got tired, which took them all of about 20 minutes. Posts: 14428 | Registered: Aug 2001
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I would try the Atkins diet, but the whole thing screams "not for teenagers" to me. I don't know if that's true or not, but I'm not going to chance it.
I've always been of the opinion that the best diet would be a well-rounded vegetarian one. At least, vegetarians seem to be the ones that keep the wait lost. From what I've seen, low-carbers lose weight quickly, but it almost always comes back. Of course, I don't have the will power for something like that.
I think the only form of diet I could do is: Eat what you want 'til you're satisfied, and exercise as much as possible. I know, it's just so frequin' original, ain't it?
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Well rounded is more important for a vegetarian diet than for one that includes meat. There are lots of nutrients you get from meat that is difficult to get on a vegetarian diet. You don't need a lot of meat, just a little, and you don't even need to eat meat every day.
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Sadly, this never worked as a weight loss plan for me. I got SO hungry when I was nursing an infant! It's like the previous nine months of NO appetite (even when my stomach was growling, I had zero interest in food when I was pregnant) had to be made up for in the first 3-6 months of breastfeeding. Posts: 32919 | Registered: Mar 2003
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Having been on many diets during the majority of my grown-ip life, I have concluded the following two things:
Nothing I do will have a long lasting effect unless I make lifestyle changes. Therefore: sure, I can cut out all carbs, or all fats, or only drink my meals, etc, but the weight will not stay off unless I am willing to keep on doing whatever I'm doing.
I MUST incorporate exercise into my life. When I lived in Switzerland, I lost tons of weight, simply because I walked miles and miles each day. I gained it all back when I moved back to the US and stopped walking.
Therefore- I am a proponent of programs (if structure is what you need) such as Weight Watchers or Ediets. These programs teach you healthy eating habits (which I really didn't know about) and encourage gradual, slow weight loss that occurs with lifestyle changes.
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Oh, there were DEFINITE benefits to breastfeeding! There's the feeding-baby-in-middle-of-night-without-having-to-wake-up-enough-to-heat-a-bottle to the you're-hungry-NOW?-ok-let's-just-find-a-good-spot ease. And the amazing '3-o'clock in the morning and no one's awake in the world but me and this beautiful angel' experiences. Oh, and I don't know about anyone else, but I could feel the prolactin hit my bloodstream! Heady stuff!
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quote:That may be true, but there are portions of the diet that disallow all carbs.
If you were on a diet that disallowed all carbs then you weren't doing Atkins.
Even on the harshest phase of Atkins you're allowed 20 grams of net carbs a day. This means several cups of salad and a cup or so of veges. And you're only supposed to be on that phase for a short period of time after which you introduce fruits, nuts and higher-carb veges.
Everybody I know that's had trouble doing Atkins or had bad side-effects haven't followed it properly, either by being too lazy to count carbs or not getting enough water or greens, or by continuing to drink alcohol, coffee or aspartme-laden diet drinks.
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I'm not going to take sides, but I do want to relate my personal experience.
I've been on Atkins for about a month. While I'm not sure yet that it is "working" or that it is the "diet" for me, I can not deny that I feel better. I sleep better. My energy level is up to the point that I'm actually willing to exercise. And most importantly, I'm significantly less moody.
Atkins isn't something that I see myself doing for years. I can't live without chocolate for that long . For now, it's doing more good than harm, and if nothing else, maybe it's the kick in the pants I needed to revamp my eating habits.
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Troubs, there are actually people who can handle an Atkins level of dieting with low carbs and be fine. There's no doubt about that. The thing is, this kind of diet is something one should totally consult their physician over, and make the committment to follow their intake very closely. In essence, it involves an attitude change. There's really nothing that Atkins introduced that wasn't known before, he just turned it into a "lifestyle." The thing is, it's a dangerous lifestyle, because if you slip up, you mess with your body's chemistry in quick and noticable ways. It's usually not something that can't work itself out over time (none of the cases I've heard of have been), but when there are other, longer-lived, more gradual and tested methods, why take the chance? And the major thing is that people need to get more active, because dieting isn't going to cut it.
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1. I no es mui intelijente perhaps but I know what I see with my own 2 eye: on ketosis, yoh fat disapear, it no take genius figure that out. whether you lose muscle as well is another issue. According to my reccolection, On regular atkins, you lose fat too. but slower and therefore probably healthier. 2. My Dad, a little while after going on atkins diet fairly heavy and ketosis a bit, had a pentuple heart bypass. In my perception, it no take ver big brain figure this one out neither. One word: coe-less-turl. 3. My Dad is not stupid 4. while nearly everything we generally eat that is high in fat is high in cholesterol, there are many things high in protein and low in carbs that aren't. 5. It take pretty big brain figure this one out, indeed science once believed the opposite, time body takes to digest fat>protein>complex carbs>>sugar. Now as has been pointed out, fat is highest in calorie/gram, so is very efficient for primitives; extremely valuable, longlasting high energy. but primitives starved a lot, and fat is all too often accompanied by bad shsnick. sugar tastes good also. perhaps because it was also extremely important to primitives; it will disimenate energy into system faster than anything else. Unfortunately, this also means its gone in about 30 minutes, and so its only efficient if you're about to do something strenuous. I'm under the impression that straight sugar does not have much bad connected to it, so theoretically, if you were working way the **ll harder than you should be, large doses of sugar every 1/2 hour( or perhaps less) might be the best thing for you, since sugar will not make you fuller and fuller, but get digested quickly. I'm less certain of the exact statistics, but the same should be true of a diet of pure carbs to a lesser degree; that is, if you were working extremely hard and very near the conceivably healthy limit, then you'd be fine only taking large doses of carbohydrates with extreme regularity about every two hours, except I don't know of any pure carbs that contain the amino acids neccessary for health. On the flip side, a diet of straight protein, which generally takes about, (what?) 12 hours(?) to mainly digest, can only be maintaned by somebody who (A) is not doing anything much (B)has a HUGE stomach or (C)has a freak high metabolism and is still not doing too much serious work. 6. some exercise is very good for you
The Obvious Conclusions I Draw, by suntranafs
1. Stupid people should not attempt atkins diet. 2. Probably no one should attempt Ketosis 3. Smart people attempting atkins diet should realize they need to use their brains, eat a maximum amount of low cholesterol foods and ALSO a minimum amount of high cholesterol foods. 4. Atkins is a "lazy man's" diet because you don't neccessarily have to exercise to lose weight 5. For an ideal weight loss diet I would hold that you should eat a small amount of fat, a large amount of protein, a small amount of complex carbs and flat zero of any kind of simple ones including fructose or lactose, and excersize hard, drinking large quantities of water to flush your system. 6. For an speedy fat gain program I'd say huge quantities of sugar(3000cal/day), large quantities of complex carbs(1500cal/day and medium quantities of fat(no more than1500-2000cal/day in fat) and zero protein. 7. If you want to die of a heart attack after claiming to be on the atkins diet and still be quite fat, do a bacon, sausage, and fried grease method of Ketosis and then drink a couple cans of coke for a reward.
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A diet based on depriving yourself of a huge group of foods is never going to be a successful diet. Sure, you might see some great results in the short term, but it's unrealistic to think you can go the rest of your life without bread, cookies, pasta, and pizza. Show me someone who's lost 20 pounds on Atkins, and I'll show you someone who's going to gain 30 back when they realize they just can't do it anymore.
It's not the fault of the participants, it's just an unrealistic program. It makes a heck of a lot more sense to continue eating all the foods that you love, but in healthy moderation.
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