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The Pixiest
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http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20040426/wl_mideast_afp/jordan_attacks_qaeda

Interesting quotes:
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Another arrested suspect, Ahmed Samir, testified he was trained in Iraq by a Zarqawi aide and that he worked on explosives for two months in a factory in Ramtha, near the Jordanian-Syrian border.

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"The chemical explosion would lead to the emission of poisonous chemical gasses which would cause physical deformities and direct injuries to the lungs and eyesight.

"Outside this circle, the human loss would amount to around 80,000 people dead and 160,000 injured," according to one of the experts.

Now I wonder if he got the chemicals from Iraq or if we're going to have to invade Syria now.
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Xaposert
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Actually, it looks like we may have to invade Iraq again - this time to take out Bremer and the current coalition forces there. After all, this guy was training in Iraq under Bremer's rule, which (as we know from the arguments against Saddam) is sufficient to claim Bremer (and perhaps the Bush administration) is linked to Al Qaeda.

Or, perhaps we should take a lesson from the Jordanians, and realize you don't have to be invading people to be fighting terrorism....

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Well, Bush has already put Syria 'on notice' as well as I think it was Iran just last week. Looking for the article but dunno if I can find it.
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Wait...you mean to tell me that removing the rule of law fosters terrorism?
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The Pixiest
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Ah Treasonpax, you can always be counted on to spin ANYTHING in the most anti-American way possible.

It doesn't say WHEN the terrorist in question was trained in Iraq. We know he spent 2 months working on the bomb and we just recently had the 1 year aniversary of the invasion so I naturally assumed he was trained prior to Sadaam's ouster. He COULD have been trained in those 10ish months but, I know if I were an islamic terrorist I would set up my training centers in friendly countries, not ones occupied by The Great Satan.

But Tres, you keep spinnin' away.

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I know if I were an islamic terrorist I would set up my training centers in friendly countries...
But you're not. You're an American one... err, I mean, you're a Libertarian.
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The Pixiest
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So John you say that my postings have the moral equivilance of setting off a poison gas attack in large city that would kill or wound a quarter of a million people?

Do you really stand behind that statement?

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Jayussi told him "the aim was to strike Jordan and the Hashemites (its ruling family), a war against crusaders and infidels".

This was going to be Muslims killing Muslims? Isn't that against whatever code they believe?

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Treasonpax... hmm.

I like it.

[Laugh]

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Xaposert
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Ah Treasonpax, you can always be counted on to spin ANYTHING in the most anti-American way possible.
Why do you keep getting my name wrong?

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It doesn't say WHEN the terrorist in question was trained in Iraq. We know he spent 2 months working on the bomb and we just recently had the 1 year aniversary of the invasion so I naturally assumed he was trained prior to Sadaam's ouster. He COULD have been trained in those 10ish months but, I know if I were an islamic terrorist I would set up my training centers in friendly countries, not ones occupied by The Great Satan.
Iraq wasn't a friendly country for Islamic terrorists until we created an anarchy there and made it friendly to them. This should be illustrated clearly enough by the countless reports of Al Qaeda agents entering the reigion and plotting attacks since we overthrew the government there. Saddam was enemies with Al Qaeda, after all.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/04/26/jordan.terror/index.html

"Jordanian intelligence suspects Jayyousi returned from Iraq in January after a meeting with al-Zarqawi in which they allegedly plotted to hit the three targets in Amman."

January - almost a year into the period of American control.

Isn't it clear, then, that America must be preemptively attacked for supporing terrorism, for the same reason that we did it to Saddam? I mean, we DO have a record of invading other countries just like Saddam did. We DO have large stockpiles of WMDs, unlike Saddam, but like the claims made before the war about Saddam. And now, we have terrorists on soil we supposedly control designing plots to blow up other countries, just like the accusations about Saddam suggested. Or are you saying that these things are somehow not grounds for invading a country?

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She keeps getting your name wrong to be inflammatory and humorous.

Working on one count, at least. The other count wore off awhile back, at the very least [Wink]

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Saddam was enemies with Al Qaeda, after all.
Please post some shred of proof for this statement.

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Xaposert
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Well, his regime is based on a secular philosophy and Al Qaeda is aligned with the Muslim groups who tried to overthrow him and who he gassed. He has had plenty of time to invite Al Qaeda into his country, yet they went off to Afghanistan instead, and no terrorist training facilities have been found under Saddam's sphere of control. Most importantly, though, the newspapers and news sites all said it was historically true, so unless you've got some proof that they are just making it up, we've got to trust them.
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Saddam and al Qaeda are not allies

Why Hussein will not give weapons to al Qaeda

A quick google brings it up.

Satyagraha

[ April 27, 2004, 09:46 AM: Message edited by: BYuCnslr ]

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Beren One Hand
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But Mr. Hussein has remained true to the unwritten rules of state sponsorship of terror: never get involved with a group that cannot be controlled and never give a weapon of mass destruction to terrorists who might use it against you.

Man, why didn't we follow those rules?
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And we all know a quick google is the surest way to get good, reliable information on terrorists... who needs those clumsy amateurish Intelligence agencies? we have google!
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Beren One Hand
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So true. That Daniel Benjamin is such a hack. His "articles" have the credibility of a blog.
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Dag asked for proof and was given an op-ed.
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How lucky the intelligence agencies have alwso conclusded there is no likely link.
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Beren One Hand
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You mean our foreign policy should not be based on beliefs and opinions, such as, "Iraq is harboring weapons of mass destruction" and constitutes an "imminent threat"? Well, I'll be...

(OK, that is a snip and not constructive... apologize in advance)

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<points at pixiest's original NEWS STORY which is NOT an OP-ED>
[Wall Bash]

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Perhaps you need your eyes checked. It says nothing about any connection between Hussein and terrorists. There were several training camps in Iraq, yes, but in areas not controlled by Hussein.
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Xaposert
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Although, I'll once again point out that it does show a connection between Bremer and Al-Qaeda, at least in the way that we claimed there was a connection between Saddam and Al-Qaeda.
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Perhaps you need your eyes checked.
You need a license to operate this.
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Would you rather links from accredited news sources?
CNN
ABCNews interview with radical islamic leader
The Brookings Institute
Satyagraha

[ April 27, 2004, 12:46 PM: Message edited by: BYuCnslr ]

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Slash the Berzerker
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There are still people in this country who believe that Al Qaeda and Saddam were buddies? Man, the Bush propaganda machine is fabulously effective.

[ April 27, 2004, 01:05 PM: Message edited by: Slash the Berzerker ]

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Slash,

actually, the majority (57%) of people in this country believe al Qaeda and Hussein were buddies. Even worse, 45% of people in this country believe that evidence for Iraqi support of al Qaeda has been found. Check out the very recent study done by the University of Maryland!

And almost nobody cares...

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Slash, I'm still working on the difference between an opinion piece and a news story... but to be honest, that has been frustrating and exhausting enough and I have better things to do with my time because... that's right... I don't care.

-- Your local neighborhood victim of Bush Propaganda.

[ April 27, 2004, 02:34 PM: Message edited by: Jim-Me ]

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So John you say that my postings have the moral equivilance of setting off a poison gas attack in large city that would kill or wound a quarter of a million people?
If you mean to ask me, "do my postings sound like a radical militant who would resort to violence if it was self-justified?" then the answer would be:

ABSOLUTELY

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Do you really stand behind that statement?
Let's see: all threads you post are venom-spewing bouts at either Democrats, Arabs, or Islam; anyone who disagrees with you is then addressed by you as not only actively against you, but a clear and present threat to the nation; you have, on numerous occasions, openly admitted to believing in conspiracy theories, from government level to pop culture level to social level, all the way down to this very forum ("secret liberal cabal!!!").

Yeah, Pix. You strike me as a perfect candidate for a gun-toting militia membership, which are just America's version of fundementalist cells.

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I'm glad this kind of reasoning is acceptable around here. It makes me not feel guilty about my opinion of you.

Dagonee

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Slash the Berzerker
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Yeah, but Dag, you tend to write off anyone that isn't a lock step religious conservative. I doubt that will hurt John's feelings too much.

I mean, I am conservative, and I find myself rolling my eyes at most of your 'my party do or die' brand political preaching. You aren't exactly middle of the road moderate, if you know what I mean.

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Riiiight. I write people off. I thought that was John's specialty.

And I challenge you to find any example of "my party do or die" preaching from me.

Dagonee
Edit: And my opinion about John has NOTHING to do with any particular opinion of his.

[ April 28, 2004, 12:28 PM: Message edited by: Dagonee ]

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Hmmmm.....

I see the thread that, this morning, was presenting credible evidence about the possible destination of the missing WMDs has turned into a thread about how narrow-minded and blind to empherical evidence conservatives can be.

Interesting.

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Dags definitely isn't like that, Slash. He's a bit cynical about anything liberal he doesn't see hard evidence on [Wink] , but he's hardly dismissive.
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