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Kayla
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Just because it's bugging me. . .

Chakotay
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I hated the Tom Paris episodes with the fascination on the 1950s. Ugh.

I also didn't like Worf episode on TNG or DS9.

Verily, Gates McFadden was hot.

The thing I always hated about TNG was the damned holodeck. Why Starfleet allowed those things on ships is beyond me. As often as they malfunctioned, I just don't get it.

I haven't been watching Enterprise this season. They started it before I knew they moved it and, well, oh well. I didn't want to try and play catch-up.

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I could just never get into Deep Space 9, even though I was fanatical about all the other versions...

Okay - I give up. Which episode is Darmok?

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Back to the original topic...

I also love the Darmok episode!

EDIT: It's the episode with the people who speak in metaphors and so no one can understand them unless they understand what's behind the metaphor.

[ January 13, 2005, 01:56 PM: Message edited by: Teshi ]

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Farmgirl
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Ah yea, I found it.
Pictures help my brain remember.

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It's starting right now!
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Deep space Nine will always be my favorite series. THG was good pioneering the new age of Star Trek, and the movies were fantastic.

But DS9 had awesome battle scenes in the later seasons. The characters were awesome, I especially loved the interaction between O'Brien and Bashir. It was a show I actually cared about.

Voyager was good, though it wouldn't have been if Robert Picardo weren't on the show. My favorite episode is the one with him on the planet of people who just discovered music, and he's the first pop star, great episode. I also liked "Tinker, Tenor, Doctor, Spy." "Year of Hell" and "Equinox" are also good. Lots of moral issues dealt with in that show.

Enterprise. I watched two episodes and lost interest. I'm hoping for a DS9 movie, or a far better show starting this coming fall or next year that picks back up sometime during the "present," meaning back during the Voyager/DS9 timeline. It gets more complicated after DS9 simply because there isn't much conflict left. After the war, much is in shambles. Though I could see the Borg being a big problem now, finally ready for a major war with them with the peoples of the Alpha quadrant in an alliance. Which will be sweet with the new technology they have from Voyager, and with new ships like the Prometheus Class from "Message in a Bottle."

I just pray that they don't end the series, or do another past show like Enterprise, cause quite frankly they aren't measuring up.

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Lucky you people who have cable and can see that.
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Except for some reason I never LIKED this episode.
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I don't like it either. It doesn't seem to me that a race that can *only* communicate in that way could build an automobile, let alone a starship.
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quote:
Though I could see the Borg being a big problem now, finally ready for a major war with them with the peoples of the Alpha quadrant in an alliance.
Borg = most overdone storyline ever. I, personally, was content when Janeway and crew destroyed them. And then I was horrified when Enterprise had their Borg episode.

My favourite (VOY) episodes were "Timeless" (Season 5) and "The Omega Directive" (Season 4), off the top of my head. I've seen all of them at one point. It's too bad they're not syndicated in this area anymore [Frown]

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Teshi
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I love the Borg, but they should never had been brought back. Destroy them, and have done with them.

Plot lines should never be stretched so far they loose their effectiveness.

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The Borg are far from destroyed. They have that huge empire in the Delta Quadrant, and they can't be ignored forever. Besides, there is still the issue of Hugh that was never resolved (or was it resolved in that one Lor episode?).

And if not the Borg then who? Some magical entity that appears out of nowhere from the Beta quadrant that we've never heard of before that happens to have a thousand ships and armies as far as the eye can see?

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I always loved Q -- just the character of Q. It made it so that so many different plots could be created, because he/it/the continuim could do anything.

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The Borg are far from destroyed. They have that huge empire in the Delta Quadrant, and they can't be ignored forever
If the writers really concentrate, I'll bet they could ignore the Borg forever.

[ January 13, 2005, 02:44 PM: Message edited by: mr_porteiro_head ]

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Me too, Farmgirl. I was always excited when he showed up, especially if the characters didn't know it until the end!
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Q's son was a cutie [Wink]
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I always loved Q -- just the character of Q. It made it so that so many different plots could be created, because he/it/the continuim could do anything.
I brought up Q as an example of the testing of the human race in a class (ancient Narrative) on Tuesday. I knew it was kind of out there, but no one else was speaking and the professor was begging hte class to come up with anything that Gawain and the Green Knight made us think of. It made me think of Q and Picard, so I put up my hand.

Mentioning Star Trek is like Major Gnork Not Done Thing. You could feel the distain just seeping...

Ah well [Wink] . I told him twice before that he wasn't going to like it.

I can't decide whether it was a good thing or a terrible thing to do. It gave the class a laugh, after all.

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As a side note concerning the Borg. Christie Golden has started the "re-launch" of the Voyager series with 4 books: Homecoming, The Far Shore, Spirit Walk, Enemy of My Enemy. They're set almost right after the final episode of VOY and they're not too bad. The writing's a little thin and the characterization is a little artificial at times. But all in all, pretty good.

But what I like about it is that she came up with a plausible reason why the Borg can keep going when their Queen dies. It was one of the things that bugged me about VOY after First Contact. I thought that with the destruction of the Queen the Borg were gone. So to have them show up later in VOY was not linear. Here's the explanation:
(thar be SPOILERS ahead)

In the story, the destruction of the Borg sphere over earth dispersed numerous nano-probe like microbes over the earth that have lain dormant since that time. The idea is that even if the Borg are defeated, given time, those infected with those microbes can be assimilated when the command is given. Well, someone is giving that command. It turns out (and I don't exactly remember how they get a copy of this) but the Borg queen is actually a program. When the Queen dies, one of the drones is chosen by the collective and promoted, so to speak. The "Royal Protocol", they call it, is downloaded into the drone and is begins taking all the the Queen functionality. It's actually quite brilliant. In the story, someone on earth is trying to become the Queen. What with the return of 7 of 9 and Icheb, the borgification of some humans causes them to be suspects and be quarantined (and their rights violated).

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Gah. The Borg are so boring! Sure they have cool outfits, but for the most part they are dull as all hell.
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You know, I've always thought that O'Brian looked like a human pastry. Seriously, the man looks like a sweet baked good made flesh. I'm aware of how odd that is, but there you go. I like his character on DS9, and his relationship with Bashir, but his look bugs the living hell out of me.

Another thing about Trek that bothers me is that they almost never use their technology is the sort of creative ways that you know they would in real life. How about transport weapons? Beam some guy's head to the left about an inch and he isn't going to be getting back up. Why not create a phaser that randomly changes frequency with every shot? That would keep the Borg from becoming immune to the blasts, wouldn't it (Actually, they may have done this in an episode--it's ringing a bell). For that matter, why not use old fashioned projectile weapons on the Borg? They seem to be quite vulnerable to them.

Remember the episode where Data was playing Holmes on the Holodeck, and asked for a Moriarty who could best him, or something to that effect, and the holodeck created a brilliant and sentient being? Why not outfit entire ships with holoemitters, and crew it entirely with superlative holobeings? Apparently they can be cooked up as easily as just asking for them to exist.

Warp core breaches seem to be pretty devistating in the intensity of their explosions--might they be harnessable as a weapon? Seems like firing one of those at an enemy ship would take it out of commission pretty quickly.

The list goes on and on--this is just the very tip of the tip of the iceburg.

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You can take Transporter technology even farther than that. With it, you should be immortal. I mean, if the transporter is recreating you from your constituant atoms, then it can recreate you in any way you want. So why not use the same pattern everytime, except for the pattern of the brain. Boom. Everytime you materialize, you're the same age as you were when the pattern first was made. Realistically, eventually enough entropy would work its way into the data that the pattern derived from that living tissue and would no longer be viable. But if the living tissue is just raw material and the pattern is stored online (in redundant multiple locations for safety) then that doesn't become an issue. You can continue as long as the storage doesn't break down or transporter technology is lost.

Heck, lost limb (supply a little extra raw material)? non-hereditary illness? Run them through the transporter and there you go. They even DID THE VERY THING with Doctor Polaski in TNG, for crying out loud.

You could clone people (Thomas Riker, anyone?), clone Androids (an army of Data's). I never understood why they couldn't move holodeck items. ITS THE SAME TECHNOLOGY. Maybe not characters unless you made them automatrons controlled by the ships computer (as they already are on the holodeck.)

There are an infinite number of uses for transporters that is never used.

Grrrr!

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Too true! [ROFL]
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