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Hey Pix you forgot to put those with a bible verse so they made sense like the original joke, which is what made it ironic.
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When I first saw this thread, I thought, what an a**. And then I thought well, no it's kind of funny, you know, Jay supporting atheists on April Fools day... Eh, whatever.
But when I clicked on the thread I realized I was right the first time.
On behalf of all the atheists I know, Jay and all of the Christians, you are an a**.
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Did you not notice the last line, which implied strongly that I was kidding?
I've been in a goofy mood all day because I'm excited about this weekend. That, coupled with extreme boredom due to lack of work to do at work (I mean, honestly, they give me a task and expect it to take several hours, then I'm done in several minutes and nobody has anything more for me to do), has resulted in what is probably my highest sustained post rate on any forum ever today.
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I am just continuing my knee-jerk tradition of worrying that I have being misunderstood.
(I'm so misunderstood! )
EDIT: I am not as naive as I claim to be, appear or act.
EDIT: In fact, lets just pretend the last few posts never occured because its really a waste of space.
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quote: I'll keep that in mind for the Hatrack Canada gathering.
*cries* DON'T. I am not high strung. I can take a joke. See? Now I've dug myself a hole of misconception from which I cannot escape!
The reason I am a freak when it comes to joke-conversation is because it so rarely happens to me because everyone assumes I cannot take the joke. Vicious cycle.
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I’m so hurt. Not! God is the one who called atheists fools. April Fools Day is fools day. So basically anything you’re calling me you’re basically calling God since the site was just quoting Him. And that’s not very funny.
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Oh I'm proud to be an agnostic! Cause at least I know I'm free! And I won't forget that man who died on that alleged tree. And I'll gladly stand up, next to you and defend your right to think differently! Cause there ain't no doubt I love this land! *dramatic echo* ...love this land... Hypothetical God/Universe/Life Force/Nothing At All bless the USA!
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2 Timothy 3:16 - All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness
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quote:You also agree that you will not use this forum to try to convert people to your own religious beliefs, or to disparage others for their own religious beliefs.
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Is that like that the forum rules? Where are those by the way…. Also, I am glad that we have established that atheism is a religion. Now we should separate it from our public schools.
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Hey, Dags, why didn't you quote that at me? Given up? Anyway, my mocking-the-other-side thread went on for seven pages. Bet this one dies in three. That will show you.
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quote:Is that like that the forum rules? Where are those by the way….
You have to start the registration process to see them. I think I'll suggest to kacard that a link be added for easy reference.
But yes, those are the forum rules, and you agreed to them.
quote:Also, I am glad that we have established that atheism is a religion. Now we should separate it from our public schools.
Sounds like you might be grouping me in with the atheists there, Jay. Also, I never encountered atheism in public schools. And most people who have fought the evolution fight here with you have at one point or another acknowledged that evolution doesn't disprove the existence of God. So I'm not sure where you're getting that from.
quote:Hey, Dags, why didn't you quote that at me? Given up? [Wink] Anyway, my mocking-the-other-side thread went on for seven pages. Bet this one dies in three. That will show you.
KoM, I think posting a thread breaking those rules is an order of magnitude different than posting it in the course of a discussion. And you changed your initial post, alleviating the worst of the problem.
It's always better to convince people they should change then to use rules to force them to.
Dagonee P.S., I forgot to thank Anna, KarlEd, and narrativium. Thanks!
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My brother became an atheist when he decided that he didn't need the guilt that came from professing a belief in God while at the same time indulging his favorite vices.
What's easier, tossing out the booze and dirty magazines, giving up gambling and spanking your monkey, or just saying that God doesn't exist?
I'm sure there are some atheists who put some real thought and science behind their reasoning. The rest, and I believe the majority, are just a bunch of lazy addicts (fools).
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I became an atheist when I realized I couldn't justify believing in God with the dirth of evidence of his existance. (that's an argument for another time.)
Point is, losing my faith was a very painful and ugly process. It wasn't so I could continue sinning. There's not a lot I do that's sinful.
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Unfortunately, skillery, your kind qualifier that "maybe some of us have thought through it" doesn't really help to ease the nastiness of calling the majority lazy addicts.
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I've seen plenty of atheists (and agnostics) who pride themselves on going against the grain, being among the few who put enough thought into it to escape a powerful social norm. They seem to look on believers as being the lazy (fools) accepting the stories they've been told, not willing to be brave and question.
Of course, there are plenty of self-proclaimed "apatheists" who admittedly just don't really care. They don't put thought into it because it's not worth giving their thought too.
It is probably not a good idea to speculate on the motivations of others, whatever your own perspective.
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I just want everyone to know that after reading Jay's initial post I have seen the error of my ways, and I realize that I was wrong all these years for hating God. I accept Jesus Christ as my personal savior. I am reborn.
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Well, to get on with serious discussion - Jay, the issue at hand is essentially whether or not the Bible may be taken as a reliable account. And in an attempt to prove this, you are - quoting the Bible. This is like me saying "I'm telling the truth, because I say so, and since I'm telling the truth, you must believe me."
Incidentally, since you have stated that your belief is based on your understanding of creationism, why is it that you shy off every time I post something that quite plainly shows evolution is true? For example, once and for all, what is your response to the identity of ERV insertions in human and ape DNA? Or the fact that our making-Vitamin-C gene is broken in exactly the same way, across several different species of primate?
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Religion requires organization. Atheism is a scattered and disparate band of people who all share a strong belief that there is no god. And little else.
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quote:I'm sure there are some atheists who put some real thought and science behind their reasoning. The rest, and I believe the majority, are just a bunch of lazy addicts (fools).
And this distinguishes athiesm from Christianity, how?
You know, it's not all that productive to just out and out disparage an entire group of people, but when the group you belong to is as bad or worse, it doesn't even make sense.
There's plenty to be learned from the conflicting worldviews of atheists and theists, but calling the other group bad as the entirety of your argument is just immature and dumb.
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quote:Of course, there are plenty of self-proclaimed "apatheists" who admittedly just don't really care. They don't put thought into it because it's not worth giving their thought too.
Or they've put a great deal of thought into it, and decided they don't have enough reason to make a decision.
I've recently reread a quote from OSC's Xenocide which describes my religious status perfectly. It's where Han Fei-tzu is talking about the Life of Human.
quote:"I can't be sure, no. Nature has done many strange things, and there is a chance that the Life of Human is genuine and true. Thus I neither believe it nor disbelieve it. I hold it in abeyance. I wait."
That would be me.
Does anyone else see the irony of Jay quoting a God that atheists do not believe in to tell them that they're fools for not believing in Him? I'm reminded of the classic definition of Heck, which is where people go if the only reason they believed in hell is because they were afraid they'd go there if they didn't.
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quote:Or they've put a great deal of thought into it, and decided they don't have enough reason to make a decision.
I would submit, then, that the word "apatheist"--which sounds like "apathy" and therefore seems to connote not caring--is probably not the best word to describe such people, and maybe they should just call themselves "agnostic."
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No it doesn't. But thats only becuase it is impossible to truely disprove the existance of anything.
There isn't any proof that big foot doesn't exist.
There isn't any proof that the lockness monster doesn't exist.
There isn't any proof in that there aren't still dinosaurs living in the jungles of Africa.
Or that aliens haven't visited Earth in secret.
At the same time, there is little substantial evidense that any of those do exist. And there is even more evidense for some of these things than for the existance of a god.
Therefore, that argument holds no water. Until you have evidense that something exists, it is a safe assumption that it does not.
However, that doesn't mean that should evidense present itself, it should not be examined. And if it ever does, I'll be sure to keep an open mind.
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More accurate in my case would be "unconcerned," but apatheist sounds better. Or at least funnier.
Because I've called myself an agnostic for many years now, and the usual reaction from believers and nonbelievers alike is that I'm wishy-washy, unable to commit, or intellectually lax. I know the work and the sacrifice I've made to get to where I am, listening to people call me wishy-washy gets boring so I've decided to relax and pick the more whimsical label.
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