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I read the first 12 chapters of revelation last night. Owie, owie, owie.
Though I did have some really weird dreams. Really weird.
Oh, and the "why". My Jehovah's witness friend wants to get down to brass tacks on this war in heaven thing. Via the definition of "sons of God" thing. Via the fatherhood of the giants in Genesis thing. Via the angels are not spirits thing. Normally I try to focus on our common ground, but I've been "called out" Posts: 2010 | Registered: Apr 2003
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Does the loser have to convert? Or is it less serious, like, say, you'll drink some Bailey's with coffee if she wins, and she'll give a pint of blood if you do?
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No, I get to drink the pint of blood if I win. It's the consumption of blood that they view as bad, though if you feel it is wrong for people to take in blood there isn't much point in donating it. But I guess with the new blood replacement... I dunno.
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I hope the discussion is productive and positive, regardless of personal beliefs. I used to be one of those "Jedi Knight" arguers who felt that that was one of the most important part of our work, 'proving' we (more often, I) was right. Over the years, I have learned (I hope) more wisdom and respect. I still believe what I believe and that is important to know it. In fact, I have had the discussion you are about to have many times since then, in a more respectful and positive manner that ended well and with greater mutual respect. But nothing good comes from debates where both sides have drawn a line and are only interested in proving their point. I don't get the impression, from what you've said, that your discussions are like that, though, so I'm not worried.
But we'd sometimes later joke that at those kinds of visits, the angel must have gone on to the next door, 'cause I couldn't find Genesis in my Bible or think of anything to say until much later, when it all came flooding back to me.
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I've never had a session of 'getting down to brass tacks' turn into anything but a pissing contest.
"Well, MY God did thus!"
"Well, MY God is bigger than your God!"
I'm terrible at that sort of thing, though. Maybe you're the type that can do it effectively. Although, what the 'it' is that you're trying to do, I'm not sure. . .
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We've been meeting since last February. She's a distant cousin and also half asian- though we are related through the white half. I'm actually really glad about this latest turn of really getting into the bible instead of just following the tracts.
(edit: She is the one who wants to get "it" the timing of the war in heaven settled.)
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I had three or four discussions like that in Detroit, and I always came away ashamed of myself and deeply, deeply unimpressed with them.
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I developed a fairly deep respect for the Jehovah's Witnesses when I was an LDS missionary. It was mainly because I never tried to Bible-bash with them. But they were always unfailingly kind and very true to their beliefs. Even though they were our direct competition in a sense, we never treated each other as enemies, and their was plenty of common ground between us.
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Um, yeah we've had like 50 discussions like this before. The point is, what other things do mormons do that seem like a good idea at the time but result in a terrible morning?
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Stay up posting on Hatrack and chatting until 4 in the morning when you are going to have to get up at 8:30 or so. Posts: 21182 | Registered: Sep 2004
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Discussing the nature of pure intelligence with my wife until 2 am, right after the birth of our third child, who had just gone back to sleep for the sixth time.
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Staying up sewing dirndls to wear at a YSA conference because my roommate and I are such hams that we can't pass up a chance to be in a talent show.
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Also - staying up cooking miniature pecan pies for the last day of institute class because I know they're Brother Heap's favorite.
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I'm not mormon, but I don't drink, so I figure I have a right to post....
Staying up until three in the morning with my roommate looking up the average lifespans in every country we can think of.
Me: We really should go to bed. RM: Wait, just look up Zambia real fast. Me: (after looking up Zambia) Oh, that reminds me, just let me see about Australia
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Wow, Blacwolve, that's creepy. My roommate and I used to LOVE reading the World Almanac.
"Do you know what the literacy rate is in Burkina Faso?" she would ask me excitedly. I'd guess, and then we'd read the whole entry. My favorite entry is Bhutan. Man, Bhutan is weird.
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Playing non-betting card games, especially spit. Drinking warm "pixie juice" which is a pixie stick mixed into water. I had a roommate once who would heat up orange juice when she felt ill.
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Um, I'm not mormon, and I *do* drink.. but...
World of Warcraft.
That passage in the Book of Mormon about abuse of substances like alcohol, tobacco, and strong hot drinks should include videogames, methinks...
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When not gaming all night long (Starcraft, Homeworld, Battle for Middle-Earth) I usually get hung over from good old-fashioned alcohol from my goth club or a choir member's house.
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All I need to do to get hung over is drink an entire 2 litre bottle of diet coke (with lime) the night before. After the caffene has dehydrated my system I go to bed and wake up the next morning with the worst hangover ever.
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And see! That's the secret to non-hungover drinking. For every beer (or beverage of your choice) you also drink a tall glass of icewater (a little lemon helps) -
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It's the consumption of blood that they view as bad, though if you feel it is wrong for people to take in blood there isn't much point in donating it. But I guess with the new blood replacement... I dunno.
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