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Lyrhawn
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Sorry if this has already been posted.

But This is why I both love and hate Wikipedia.

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*snarf*

-Trevor

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Telperion the Silver
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[ROFL]
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Admit it. That's funny. [ROFL]

[ April 20, 2005, 10:43 PM: Message edited by: urbanX ]

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Portabello
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I want to be outraged, but I'm laughing too hard.
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I don't have any problem with the joke. It's mildly amusing - they do look a lot alike. I'm more offended on behalf of Wikipedia.
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*grin* And twinky was afraid it wasn't a real encyclopedia. [Smile]
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Of course, left out of that post is the fact that the page in question was dredged up from its history, and that the vandalism is being dealt with promptly...
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Aw, see now I can't make my snide comment. [Wink]

[ April 20, 2005, 10:53 PM: Message edited by: Narnia ]

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I was like, where's the joke? And woh does the pope look like Emperor Palpatine. Oh wait. Ha ha.

(I didn't read the thread title well)

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Lyrhawn
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I showed a friend of mine who isn't very Star Wars savvy and she said "Okay, I'm looking at it, and?"

"Did you look at the picture?"

"Yeah, and?"

"And?"

"Wait...that's not his picture is it?"

Then she clicked on the picture, and the caption says Palpatine.

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[ROFL] [ROFL] [ROFL] [ROFL]

Now they just need to do that for Bush! Wait... anyone can edit those entries...

*LIGHTBULB* [Evil]

Ok, I'm very seriously tempted to do this. Someone talk me out of it.

[ April 21, 2005, 02:46 AM: Message edited by: Alcon ]

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It doesn't take that long for people to fix it. The pope's picture is already fixed...your link is an older version of the article

[ April 21, 2005, 03:02 AM: Message edited by: Lupus ]

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quote:
*grin* And twinky was afraid it wasn't a real encyclopedia. [Smile]
Case rested.
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Thank god I'm not the only one who immediately saw the similarity between them. [Smile]
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[ROFL] [ROFL] [ROFL] [ROFL]
That's great

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Elizabeth
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I did not get it at all.
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Liz - instead of Pope Ratzinberger, they had a picture of Chancellor Palpatine.

-Trevor

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It is a realistic pict. [ROFL]

Maybe he have a secret white army... But where is Vador ?

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Jay
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Does this mean the Pope wants to be the Emperor?
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Or maybe the emperor wants to be pope...
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This would be his Vador.
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Considering I think the pic lasted up there all of a few seconds (what is linked to is the prior version where the pic existed), this is, if anything, a good example of how resilient wikipedia is.

As opposed to, say, Britannica's hard copy, where the errors just sit there, and are often much less obvious: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1456119,00.html

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twinky
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If the next edition of the Encyclopaedia Britannica comes out with a picture of Senator Palpatine next to the column about Benedict XVI, or even if Britannica online ever posts such a picture next to the column, I will eat my hard hat.

Edit: Also, the suggestion that Britannica's errors are "less obvious" is spurious. What makes wikipedia immune to similarly obscure errors?

[ April 21, 2005, 10:48 AM: Message edited by: twinky ]

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Portabello
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AFAIKT, that picture was put up in one minute, and the very next minute it was removed.
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twinky
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My point is that if entries and edits were vetted a priori, it would never have been posted.

Edit: What does the "K" stand for in "AFAIKT?"

[ April 21, 2005, 10:58 AM: Message edited by: twinky ]

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IIRK, it stands for "can."
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twinky
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That's what I thought. [Razz]
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I told my wife when I first saw him that he did resemble the emperor a bit. Someone must have noticed a resemblance too. I think it is mildly amusing.
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twinky
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Welcome to Hatrack! [Wave]
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twinky, you're stuck in a remarkably old-media view of data. If someone had to approve everything posted to wikipedia, it couldn't be a free -- and enormous, and mostly accurate -- encyclopedia.
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twinky
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twinky, you're stuck in a remarkably old-media view of data.
I don't see this as a problem, though. It isn't a matter of being "stuck" when you're "stuck" on purpose. It's interesting that you see it as a negative thing.

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If someone had to approve everything posted to wikipedia, it couldn't be a free -- and enormous, and mostly accurate -- encyclopedia.
That's right, it couldn't. And that'd be fine by me. "Mostly accurate" when there's no accountability -- and, indeed, no guarantee of even approximate accuracy if you read their disclaimer -- isn't good enough for me. So I don't use it.
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But why are you proselyting against it?
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twinky
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Huh? How is posting a thread that says "wikipedia bothers me for these reasons, does anyone else feel the same way?" at all evangelical?

I wouldn't have posted to this thread at all if Tom hadn't mentioned me by name.

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Portabello
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OK. Backing off now.
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As has been pointed out before, none of the other encyclopedia's make any guarantee of accuracy, and in fact all expressly deny such a guarantee.
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twinky
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If by "as has been pointed out before" you mean "I linked to one instance," then you're generalizing an awful lot from one example. Not to mention that your own link supports my point about accountability.
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Lyrhawn
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It couldn't have been removed from Wikipedia that fast. A friend told me about it and I didn't check it out until hours later, and the search still took me to the pic of Palpatine. Perhaps it was just a glitch?
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That's an older revision of the page. From the timestamps, The joke picture was baleeted in a minute or less. Wikipedia lets you see older versions of the pages, to help track what was changed.
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quote:
Attention: This article is in a state of constant fluctuation.
Due to the high frequency of edits at this time, the content of this article may change rapidly, and may temporarily contain inaccuracies, POV, and vandalism.

They did put a warning on it.

AJ

hmm twinky, here they are answering some of your questions:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:POV
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Vandalism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Vandalism_in_progress

[ April 21, 2005, 03:57 PM: Message edited by: BannaOj ]

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Shmuel
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As somebody who's actually done research and factchecking for a mainstream reference work -- not to mention somebody who's experienced the unique joy that comes of finding an error in a published dictionary -- I find twinky's faith in the superiority of a slower, more exclusive editorial process to be charming. Not terribly well-founded, but charming.
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*Zing!*
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