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Just saw that. It was kind of expected... What I can't believe is the participation percentage! I mean, I don't think there were as many voters at the last presidential election!
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It's another road now... I think The re-writing of the text may be more "human" for the container and the containt.
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Although I think the EU is an excellent idea, this may be for the best. Perhaps the Brussels elite will write something that can actually be read by non-lawyers, this time.
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Yep, eg the language concerning a common foreign policy. Which in the US eg allowed Reagan to force American states to continue trade with SouthAfrica during Apartheid. Like I said, a race to the lowest common denominator.
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Ah yes, that wonderful logic by which the mere existence of national governments is a race to the lowest common denominator -- because part of the nature of national governments is that they unify foreign policy (though of course not everything unifying foreign policy is a national government).
Not to mention that the unification of foreign policy under the Constitution is in fact very limited, and largely limited to what exists in practice currently.
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Problem is that most of the french people has think french and not european : they wanted the government change, so they voted the contrary of the president's wish. Even if it was not the purpose of the referendum to protest against Chirac and Raffarin. I'm very disappointed, now.
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Oh, also, its not like there's anything unusual about an EU treaty being hard to read; the Constitution was far more readable than the others, and they've been approved in processes that include referenda in various countries.
Do you have any particularly good reason people should vote no on the treaty, dh?
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I certainly don't recall ever expressing an opinion on the subject, and there was certainly nothing implied either way in my last question. I think you just suffer from Hatracker's Syndrome, which makes you want to turn everything into an argument.
I will leave your question unanswered.
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You're asking others for their opinions, one might think it polite to offer your own. And yes, the way you phrased the last question is commonly used to imply a particular position on an issue.
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I did not ask anymone for their opinions, I was deducing how they voted from observing what they posted. One could say that I was stating the obvious. I didn't ask anyone to elaborate, or to explain why they voted one way or the other. You have to learn the difference between observing and arguing.
I wasn't stating a position, or even hinting that I might have one. I was observing theirs. Learn the difference. Not everything is an argument, even on a forum. It am not required to offer my opinion on anything in any case. Nor am I required to even have one. Last I checked, it was not obligatory to be violently opinionated about everything.
Above all, I find it exceedingly annoying when people assign me an opinion when they can't find anyone else to argue with.
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I have to admit, dh, you're being much more confrontational than fugu...who is not, in fact, being argumentative and confrontational at all.
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Usually I do. Usually I just don't say anything and leave the discussion, but sometimes the annoyance is just too much for me.
Fugu is one of the prime offenders, but by no means is he the only one who tries to degenerate every thread and discussion into an "I'm right you're wrong" rock-throwing contest. This is one of the reasons I'm wasting less and less of my time on Hatrack. I haven't seen a good, actual discussion here in ages. (Some) people desperately want to divide into two opposing sides and duke it out, and (as we see here) feel as if a divine right to perpetual arguing were somehow being infringed when not everyone bows to their wishes.
Petty is much too kind a word.
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Heh !!! Who has said that I'm from Norway ???? I'm fond of Norway and want to go there (that's explain my scandinavian-like name) but I'm french (if I were norwegian I would write better english! And I wouldn't be for EU...)and I voted "oui" 'cause I'm stupid enough to believe in EU. Sorry to disappoint King of men not to be a norwegian...
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Wow. I've never seen someone degenerate from aloofness to self-vicitimation. I disagree with Fugu frequently, and I daresay he most often comes out on top, and I don't decide to declare myself the injured martyr.
Get some thicker skin, and quit your whining. There wasn't anything remotely offensive, petty, or overly argumentative here-well, until I posted this anyway:)
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