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I'm annoyed as well. This is a topic that is frequently not discussed and I found people's responses very interesting and worth reading.
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I was enjoying the conversation also, but what's done is done. I'm sure the subject will come up again at some point.
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My apologies if I overstepped your personal bounds, odouls. For what it's worth, I'm always happy to edit my own posts out of respect for the sensitivities of other participants.
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Are you sorry that I had a negative reaction to your action, or are you sorry that you did what you did?
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quote: My apologies if I overstepped your personal bounds, odouls. For what it's worth, I'm always happy to edit my own posts out of respect for the sensitivities of other participants.
No way, nobody overstepped my personal bounds, least of all you CT
I just didn't want the thread to overstep the bounds of Hatrack
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I'm bummed, because I wanted to read what other people had to say. It was a really interesting thread.
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quote: Are you sorry that I had a negative reaction to your action, or are you sorry that you did what you did
Sorry that what I did yielded from you the reaction that it did. Not sorry that I did what I did. I'd do it again. Posts: 2532 | Registered: Jul 2001
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quote:No way, nobody overstepped my personal bounds, least of all you CT
I just didn't want the thread to overstep the bounds of Hatrack
Good. *relieved
I can understand the desire not to have a thread one started become a source of trial for the moderators. That's why I clearly denoted my "porn thread" as a potential Mayfly.
Touchy stuff. Difficult to discuss. Even more difficult to discuss well, especially if we are examining hidden assumptions -- the hidden assumptions are often those that are the most difficult to examine. They are hidden for a reason. Desire is so private.
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quote:In that case, I will remember to never seriously participate in any thread started by you.
Not out of spite, but because I can't trust you to not delete my words.
Sounds fair enough. But if you look closely, you'll find that any words written on Hatrack are transient, as threads are not kept here forever. So, by application of your logic, doesn't that mean that you shouldn't post on hatrack at all? Just a thought.
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Oh, hatrack has locked threads and so on for reasons most members don't agree with on occasion. THIS thread seemed very polite although I didn't see all of it.
I'd have more respect for your decision if you were taking the traditional marriage thread discussion more seriously.
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Odd, this is the first week I've posted regularly in close to a year, and in trying to be polite and tactful in my posts I do believe I've managed to anger more people than I did when I originally came to hatrack and posted without any such forethought
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Porter. Chill. The deleted thread and the thoughtful responses are not worth raising your blood pressure and the price you pay when you're mean. He apolgized.
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quote: While he wasn't rude about it, he certainly did not apologize for what he did. In fact, he said he'd do it again.
"Sorry if you're upset" is not an apology.
I would do it again. It was a thread I started, and I felt responsible for the direction it was taking. I thought a trend might continue beyond a place I wanted it to go, and I headed it off at the pass.
Still, sorry you got upset. Wasn't my intention.
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quote:Originally posted by Narnia: Porter. Chill. The deleted thread and the thoughtful responses are not worth raising your blood pressure and the price you pay when you're mean. He apolgized.
I don't think Porter was being mean at all. In fact, I completely agree with him. Posters shouldn't be able to delete words that aren't theirs unless the poster is a moderator or administrator.
Does anyone have a copy of the deleted thread? I completely missed it. Posts: 1658 | Registered: Sep 2003
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quote:Posters shouldn't be able to delete words that aren't theirs unless the poster is a moderator or administrator.
I disagree completely. If someone started a thread, they should be able to delete it. I don't recall ever having deleted a thread before, and I would have disagreed with this statement yesterday the same as today.
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in defense of odouls, pop has stated in the other thread that he posted a warning in the one referenced here... so it was definitely pushing the boundaries of what pop was going to allow.
Oh, and just for the record, back when I was Catholic, the "sin of Onan" was precisely the scripture used to explain to the boys why masturbation was a sin. That was Catholic doctrine as communicated to us back a few decades ago.
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Doctrine must have changed since then, Bob.
I went to 13 years of catholic school and was never once told that masturbation was a sin. I don't think it would have made a difference though.
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On Dec 29th 1975 Pope Paul wrote this in his Persona Humana - Declaration on Certain Questions Concerning Sexual Ethics:
quote: β...masturbation is an intrinsically and seriously disordered act...the deliberate use of the sexual faculty outside normal conjugal relations essentially contradicts the finality of the faculty. For it lacks the sexual relationship called for by the moral order, namely the relationship which realizes βthe full sense of mutual self-giving and human procreation in the context of true love.β All deliberate exercise of sexuality must be reserved to this regular relationship.β
Every Catholic friend I've ever had was taught that it's a sin. Perhaps you had a unique priest Art.
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I had about 7 priests and a couple dozen nuns in that 13 year timeframe. And every friend I have is Catholic and I know for a fact none of them consider it a sin. Although I guess that doesn't change whether or not the church views it as a sin.
We even had sex-ed and this was never mentioned. I guess they were too busy trying to keep kids from having sex to fight the war against masturbation. Or as I like to call it, the Silent Killer.
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It's identified as an intrinsically disordered act in the catechism and I'm pretty sure it's considered a sin in every circumstance by the church.
Something that a lot of people miss about the Catholic view of sins, though... you are expected to do some sinning pretty much all the time. That's why weekly confession is encouraged.
However, as I said elsewhere, I always heard Onan discussed WRT being open to children rather than Masturbation.
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