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Zarex
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This is a game that has been driving me insane for the past three days.

If you can figure it out, well and good for you. But please don't post spoilers. I posted this so I could share my agony with my friends on Hatrack.

Petals Around the Roses

My only consolation is that supposedly the smarter you are, the longer it takes.

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Enigmatic
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Took me about a minute to figure out. My second theory on how to answer proved to be correct.

--Enigmatic

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quote:
My only consolation is that supposedly the smarter you are, the longer it takes.
Oy. I must be really dumb.
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Wow....this is really frustrating. *Brandishes fist at Zarex*
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woo hoo! first theory was right [Smile]
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A little more than a minute, but I did get it. Now, this isn't really a hint, so I hope you don't mind - but if you read the instructions it says that the game can be played with five dice on a table. So that tells you something about some patterns that aren't relevant (as in, with five dice on a table there's no order of dice, no first or last.)
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How many times have we had this thread now?
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Second theory. Took about 3 seconds.
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Megan
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If we've had it before, I haven't seen it.

But my first theory was right.

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Gotch'y'all beat. 3 theories- 1 minute.
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It took me an hour to figure the damn thing out the first time I encountered it. Too smart, that's me.
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This is the third time this thread has been posted, to the best of my recollection. The first time around, a fair number of people -- especially our engineers and math majors -- had serious trouble "solving" it; this new batch of Hatrackers must be smarter. [Smile]
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Verily the Younger
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Or lying.
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aiua
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Um..or stupid?
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Two theories- about 30 seconds.
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Or we all forgot that we'd seen it before, but solved it faster because we had?
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Well, I remembered how to do it. [Smile]

First time it took me hours and in the end I cheated.

I am really bad at these things - I always come up with the most convoluted mathematical theories and patterns.

I think last time I was convinced it was all in Base 6.

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Hooray! Oh, that didn't take very long at all. [Smile]
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It took me a couple days first time I saw it ... but I did get it. There is hope
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Meh. The whole "the smarter you are, the longer it takes" supposition was given by a professor who took a year to figure it out. If the engineers and math majors took longer than others I'd say it means they're overanalyzing it and ignoring the question.

Just my $0.02 though.

--Enigmatic

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JennaDean
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Yep, I'm really smart, alright. Grrr.... [Wall Bash]

Edit: okay, I've got it now. Talk about overthinking. It was the "requires basic math" part that threw me. Let's see, that took maybe ... half an hour.

[ December 08, 2005, 12:12 AM: Message edited by: JennaDean ]

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OH how weird I just found that last night. It took me like six tries. Notttt too hard.
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Gah. I can't get it at all.
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blacwolve
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Ok, I appear to have gotten it, but it's a theory I tried several times before and didn't work. I'm so confused now.
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I remember this a long while back. When I first encounted it, I pondered it for about 20 minutes and couldn't figure it out. I later came back to it and was able to get it. It frustrated the heck out of me, though.
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I would have never figured it out with out the instructions. "How you define the problem" "imagination" "smart people take longer".

So I decided to think like a dumb person (just kidding, just quit thinking tricky things like Soduko requires) and I finally got it in a few minutes.

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King of Men
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[smart-assed insult] What do you mean, 'decided' to think like a dumb person? [/smart-assed insult]
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[Big Grin]

I didn't mean to offend anyone really.

I just thought, ok, what does the author mean by "smart people take longer" and I decided he meant that they try and find a N solution (N = logical, whatever). So I wondered what a "dumb" person "with imagination" would think. It wasn't hard after that.

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i couldn't get this AT ALL the last time it was posted, and i'm pretty sure Strider never figure it out either.

I got it in under two minutes this time around.

edit: hmpf, apparently Strider did figure it out. i guess i remembered the answer...i felt so cool! [Frown]

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Zarex
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I still don't get it!!

[Wall Bash] [Wall Bash] [Wall Bash] [Wall Bash]

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I've done this before and it didn't take me very long.

And it's not to do with smart-or-not its to do with your math-type skills. The more mathematical experience you have, the more you're likely to look in the wrong place for the answers. If you approach the problem with a very non-mathematical brain you're more likely to get the answer faster because you don't immediately go to that analytical style of thinking.

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Spent two minutes, couldn't get it, read this thread, got it immediately. I'm not sure where the clue is in the this thread, but it did the trick.
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First theory - confirmed with first 4 rolls.
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Did this in third grade. A teacher just rolled the dice for two or three minutes at the end of each class. Took about four or five class periods to get it.
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Aha! Got it in about five minutes. I didn't time it, so I'm not sure of the exact time. Without giving it away, I suspected something like the answer from the first, but got sidetracked into the math. This is a cool game; I'm sure it would drive my husband crazy for hours. [Evil]

--Mel

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Holy crap, do I feel stupid! I've come back to this durn thing every other day or so since it first appeared, and I only NOW just got it!

[Wall Bash]

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Haven't gotten it right once. I must be a friggin' genius! Stupid game...grumble...
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Zarex
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I just got it!!!!! Hooray!!! I'm a genius, cigars for everyone. Drinks on the house!
[The Wave] [The Wave] [The Wave] [The Wave] [The Wave] [The Wave] [The Wave] [The Wave]

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Took a couple seconds to run past a theory or two in my head, and then the first one I tried worked.
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Ahh my brain is too Sudoku-ed up to do this!
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Guessed it correctly on the second roll, rolled a few more times to confirm.
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Zarex
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Well for you fast people there's no sense of accomplishment that I got from working on it every spare moment for three days then finally getting it.
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If the title was "petals around the rose(s)" I would have gotten it right away. My first guess was actually right, but because I was missing the plurality I got it wrong and went down other paths. It took me awhile to come back to that first theory.
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Ok, I'm very upset with all of you because you've managed to prevent me from doing my homework, but I finally got it, and felt like a retard. I ended up writing out 50 answers and doing statistical analysis. Thanks. Really.
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I second Katharina's statement. I was getting nowhere, then I read the thread, went back and got it first thing.
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Took me about 15 guesses.

But even the successfull theory was a guess. I still don't get it. But I figured it out. But I don't know how. And I can't explain it.

This is usually the type of problem that would take me days to figure out. The hints here all helped.

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okay. got it now.
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Finally got it; it took me 10 or 15 minutes even having read this thread first.
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It was called "Petals on the Roses" when I did it twenty years ago.
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heh, first guess [Smile]
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