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I have heard numerous people complaining on this site and in person about or current president and have tired of it.
If everyone wants change of leadership in the next election, then the Democrats need to put forth a canidate that is remotely electable. To be honest, Bush should not have been that hard to beat in the last election, but Kerry was not very likeable, Ditto for Gore. (Of course maybe the Republicans will put up a good candidate this time.)
So, who does everyone think the Democrats will nominate for President? (Personally I think Hillary will be a mistake simply because she is not very likable. Her husband was very likable and we see how far it got him.)
Again, suggestions for Democratic (or republican) nominations.
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I'm so sick of both parties. I'll be surprised if either of them nominate anyone even halfway competent.
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Actually, Pres. Clinton's likeability got him pretty darned far. You have to be pretty likeable for people just not to care about being lied to to their faces.
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I'm not sure that's as true anymore. I just saw a discussion on this site where SEVERAL people voiced the opinion "Yeah, politicians lie. It's what they do. Why should I let that affect my vote?"
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I used to respect Colin Powell, until he let himself be totally p0wnz0rd.
I have never had any respect for Lieberman, who is -- as far as I can tell -- merely a slimeball trying to wrap himself in the appearance of integrity.
That said, the last nominee I really liked was Bradley, so YMMV.
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I guess I was unclear. I think that clinton's likeability (sp) was what kept him in office for 2 terms and got him through a lot of the scandals that he got himself into. As far as the scandals go, I think the republicans started this whole mess of wanting to investigate everything the president does in order to try to find fault in him.
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Hillary would lose, I think. Kerry would lose. Gore would have a pretty good shot, though - I think he's more consistent in his views than Kerry, more likeable than Hillary, and has managed to cut out the boring since his last campaign.
If the Democrats were smart, though, they'd fine somebody new - someone wtih a solid, discernable, principled vision who is simultaneously not crazy. For whatever reason, they seem to have a great deal of trouble doing that.
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Yes, but the exciting Al Gore is terrifying. He's like an alien.
Hillary's a zero, and Lieberman doesn't look like he believes most of what comes out of his own mouth.
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It's too early to try to elect a woman President. The thing is, a lot of Bush's advantage in the last election was that he presented a sort of father figure, and he has sort of a stereotypical American family, I guess.
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I don't think it's too early for a woman president. More like there's not a reasonable woman candidate. Same with a minority candidate. I don't think anyone would have qualms about electing one if they were the best candidate, it's just that no one really is in the right position.
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quote: Bush's advantage in the last election was that there was nobody running against him.
Well, from my point of view, you had two choices, Vote for Bush, or Vote against Bush. So I think we are saying the same thing? Either way it came to be all about Bush, so it's no wonder that Bush won
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I definitely think it's too early. And I think that any woman/minority running would have to be fifty times more personable and spotless in reputation than whoever he/she was running against.
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To be fair, even Kerry was _remotely_ electable; he lost by 3%.
But it would be good for the Democrats if they ran someone with identifiable positions. "Anybody but Bush" isn't enough.
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If I was a US citizen I'ld vote for hilery for VP and Adama as Prez for Democrat, if republican Powel.
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Hillary vs Condoleeza.... It could happen... Then we'd have a woman pres for sure =)
I haven't studied Condy's politics... My lil bro has and he's all excited. He and I usually agree politically. So maybe this is what I should hope for.
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Any given Democrat could have lost by 3%. President Bush is considered that bad by that many people. John Kerry offerred almost no reasons for anyone to vote for him, nor, for that matter, did he do a particularly good job of highlighting little things like the President's inability to run on his first term.
I like the spin though. (I say this as a registered Republican who worked as a volunteer on John McCain's 2000 campaign) I believe that the current President has done a very bad job as well as disgraced his office and the country. One of the consistent aspects of his Presidency has been an unwillingness to take responsibility for anything in a meaningful way. Because of this, it has become incumbent on the American people to try to force the administration to live up to it's greatest duty, to take responsibility. So I criticize the President when I think he has done things badly or, and this is less common, not done things he should have because I actually take how my country is run seriously and not as some sort of sporting match.
But hey, you can just say "Well, it's just because he hates Bush." and ignore all that so that you can go back to your flag-waving. This is apparently your conception of responsible citizenry.
quote:Originally posted by adam613: Bush's advantage in the last election was that there was nobody running against him.
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That's the situation exactly, KarlEd. The truly depressing part is not that the fact that he is so unliked that he almost lost in a one-man race, the truly depressing part is what that and the fact that the DNC could not find a man that could beat him. A truly pathetic showing of our two major political parties in the USA.
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Even the writing in my opinion got a bit silly. I know it's a TV show so it's expected for things to end well, but c'mon...President Bartlett's administration solves the Palestinian problem and Social Security?
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In a recent poll, 44% said they would not vote for H. Clinton under any circumstance. That's a lot of uphill work. I think Condi would be an interesting candidate who would probably have my support, but more info on her political beliefs and more of a record would be helpful. I hope Irami doesn't think I believe black people are like children for saying so.
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All I know is things will seem pretty fishy if Hamas wins this election, too.
(As for contributing to the conversation, I'm a moderate Republican, and I'd like to see a strong candidate surface, be it left, right, or one of the Blue Penguins... a strong candidate that can at least try to meet on common ground with the other party would more than likely win my vote)
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At this point, I'd vote for pretty much anyone that I believed was serious about bringing more T 'n A into the government.
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Wasn't Clinton pretty much a nobody until he was the candidate (I don't know for sure, I was in 1st grade). We have a senator here in Indiana that's had some presidential buzz and from what I know of his politics he's pretty reasonable, he was governor from 88 till 96). Evan Bayh in 08?
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quote:ven the writing in my opinion got a bit silly. I know it's a TV show so it's expected for things to end well, but c'mon...President Bartlett's administration solves the Palestinian problem and Social Security?
I'm only on season two, so it's not too out there yet. But I don't disagree.
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quote:We have a senator here in Indiana that's had some presidential buzz....
I liked Bayh fifteen years ago. He was a man of integrity and intelligence. That may still be true; I haven't lived in Indiana for a while. But I get the sense that he's become more of a traditional politician.
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Hmm. I'd back Obama. Or, say, Timothy Kaine, who speaks with remarkable precision and has a good track record for getting both sides behind him.
Please, please don't let Hillary or Lieberman run. If they came out on top of the pack, I don't think I could hold my nose long enough to vote. Heavens save us from morality as a political expediency.
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You know, while I like Bush, I was mostly voting against Kerry.
While the more intelligent voters are ready for a woman or minority (does that word really apply anymore?) Pres, I think it would be an uphill battle.
I kind of figured there would be more of a frontrunner for at least one of the parties by this point. It's never to early for the parties to start shredding the other's candidate.
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quote:Originally posted by The Pixiest: Hillary vs Condoleeza.... It could happen... Then we'd have a woman pres for sure =)
Or the first third party president in ages.
It would be great if we could wrest power away from the entrenched Democrats and Republicans. It seems like there's enough discontent that any moderate third party that got its act together would have a good chance.
(At least I feel enough discontent to want a good third party candidate )
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I really want Wesley Clark to run again. I don't think he's going to, but it's my dearest wish.
I think the former governor of Virginia, Mark Warner, sounds decent. I don't know a lot about him, just what I read in one of those women's magazines.
However, barring either of those, I'm hoping for a Clinton v Rice match, which at least will be hugely amusing.
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