quote:As for it being unprofessional, it's the music industry. It's not "professional" in the traditional suit-and-tie sense to begin with.
How many times have I heard that one. "Its the fire service. It's not "professional" in the traditional suit-and-tie sense." "Its the security service", Its not "Professional" "medical services" and on and on. It is still not appropriate in the workplace, and supervisors who allow those kinds of behaviors are not good supervisors.
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quote:As for it being unprofessional, it's the music industry. It's not "professional" in the traditional suit-and-tie sense to begin with.
How many times have I heard that one. "Its the fire service. It's not "professional" in the traditional suit-and-tie sense." "Its the security service", Its not "Professional" "medical services" and on and on. It is still not appropriate in the workplace, and supervisors who allow those kinds of behaviors are not good supervisors.
Unless you've worked in the music industry, you have no idea what you're talking about.
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Just because a group thinks they are special, does not exempt them from the law. (Except for the Congress of the United States when acting as an employeer.) You may have a greater percentage of group members that are willing to put up with substandard treatment. But, the liability is still the same if one of them decides to quit playing the game.
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quote:Unless you've worked in the music industry, you have no idea what you're talking about.
I don't quite understand the logic here. "It's not harassment, because it's the music industry...?"
That's not what I'm saying. I'm also not saying that sexual harassment doesn't exist.
In fact, I had a very well thought-out response to Art's last post, but at this point, it will serve no purpose for me to disagree, since nothing that I say will make any difference, as I am clearly just accepting "substandard" treatment because I'm a silly, helpless woman who doesn't know any better.
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Best bet is to sit at your desk and not look at or speak to anyone. All it takes is one misunderstanding or (worse) one person out to get you to ruin your career.
For instance, the following scenario is possible:
I was working with Nancy in the lab, just us. It was good work, we really didn't interact at all - but I did notice that she left out some classified material. I report it supervisor (as I am required to do), and it gets back to Nancy. She proceeds to accuse me of trying to grope her and making lewd comments. Now, I have to spend all this time fighting back, plus none of my female coworkers like me anymore.
It seems that all a woman has to do is accuse a man of sexual misconduct, and his life is ruined. Pretty effective, if you ask me - not to mention terribly unjust.
Anyways. I sometimes say things that I don't realize sound sexual, but others take them that way. Watch me get in trouble for that, one day.
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quote:It seems that all a woman has to do is accuse a man of sexual misconduct, and his life is ruined. Pretty effective, if you ask me - not to mention terribly unjust.
You're being a bit melodramatic here, I think.
All a man has to do is plant evidence in a woman's purse and rat her out to the FBI and her life is ruined!
I mean, come on. The reaction to accusations of sexual harassment in the vast majority of work places in this country is luke warm, disbelieving, dilatory, and lacks a certain thoroughness, shall we say...
If you happened to hit some place where there had recently been an expensive loss in a lawsuit over such stuff, then, yeah, maybe you'd find yourself prejudged as a man accused of something.
But the most likely scenario is: 1) she accuses 2) you deny 3) they take no action
Sadly, this is true even when there IS sexual harrassment going on.
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Even if the company doesn't take action Bob, it doesn't mean there aren't repercussion in the work place. If you work with a lot of women then it can get downright hostile, even if there was no proof to back up the allegations.
I had something like that happen to me when I worked at Cracker Barrel, and while I had not done anything wrong it was not a good place to work for weeks after.
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