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I'm with you so far, Robin. Can you explain why borders preclude the possibility of reasoning with adversaries?
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Because, my dear Tom, if you are considered a trespasser, unable to be hosted by somebody, before you even come in, you are already trying to figure out how to get out.
Is that condusive to helpful dialogue?
The Muslims have rules about that. You HAVE to let somebody rest in your home. If they are thirsty and tired. And you HAVE to give them at least a little food and water if they need it.
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quote:I fear nothing. Except, maybe disappointing my family.
That's a lie. A man who claims to fear nothing except disappointing his family has no business calling anyone else a fool...except insofar as he has the capacity to recognize the trait so abundant in himself in others.
I know lots of aspiring Zen Monks who want to be film producers. Instead of, you know, striving for enlightenment. What a pack of bullshit.
Ok. I could have been in error about the fear factor. I guess I haven't pushed hard enough yet, have I?
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Underlying all discussions of illegal immigration and open borders is one unavoidable truth: open borders between the US and Mexico would be the best thing to ever happen to the corrupt Mexican power elites. Illegal Mexican aliens and the money they send home keeps the corrupt Mexican politicians and robber barrons in power and forestalls any meaningful reforms that country will ever see. Next to oil revenues, very little of which filters down to the poor, money from relatives in the US is the country's biggest source of funds. If we want to help to continue to oppression of Mexico's poor masses, then lets open the borders. If you want to help keep Mexican children begging on the streets for generation after generation, then open the borders. Does anyone think that Presidente Fox opposes efforts to close the borders because of his spiritual enlightenment? Or is it perhaps because he knows that the corrupt system he presides over is dependent on illegal border crossings?
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quote:If you want to help keep Mexican children begging on the streets for generation after generation
Yeah...I don't so much care about this...I'd prefer to protect my children's futures by hoarding and protecting as many opportunites as possible, especially if it means that I get to repress some foreigners at the same time. (I do so love these all or nothing topics. Picking an extreme is much easier than dealing with the problem.)
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quote:The Muslims have rules about that. You HAVE to let somebody rest in your home. If they are thirsty and tired. And you HAVE to give them at least a little food and water if they need it.
It's worth noting that not a single Islamic country has an open border policy.
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Thank you for mentioning that Tom... It's definately worth mentioning that the U.S. even if it doesn't have the most friendly border policy at all times certainly has one of the more civil border policies compared to many other nations. i.e. unless you're doing something really crazy you're not going to be shot for crossing the US border illegally, you're just going to be sent back home for not following proper channels.
Again I'd like to see more of this discussion directed towards comparing and contrasting border policies with Europe (or to be honest any actual information on what any other country's border policies actually are) rather than random philosophical musings on what the Quaran might say... the Bible also mentions giving your neighbor your coat etc, but that doesn't mean any "cristian" nation allows completely free border traffic, or enforces mandatory donations of overgarments to travellers.
And Robin... I think what would be most condusive to a helpful dialogue would be for you to adopt a realistic world view.
I hate to be that harsh, but honestly...
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quote:The Muslims have rules about that. You HAVE to let somebody rest in your home. If they are thirsty and tired. And you HAVE to give them at least a little food and water if they need it.
It's worth noting that not a single Islamic country has an open border policy.
Just because the Koran has good ideas, it does not necessarily mean that the Muslims will follow them, Tom.. Just like the Bible, huh?
Grimm..
Don't go there, man, please don't go there.
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