Personally, I like soy milk. Been drinking it for years. Zero Cholesteral. That's a good thing. Maybe I need to ask my wife to confirm this, but I think it hasn't "feminized" me on bit. Although I did enjoy that new Pride and Prejudice movie very much. I wonder... Posts: 407 | Registered: Mar 2006
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There are so very many things wrong with that article. >_<
I wonder what the rate of homosexuality is in Japan, where soy milk and tofu have been dietary staples for centuries?
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I stopped reading VERY soon after his "exclusively organic" stance.
Rivka: China too.
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Having said that. I don't care for soy milk but MAN soy chocolate milk is better then any other form IMO. Tofu (Dou Fu) will always have a place in my heart when cooked Chinese style.
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There have actually been some questions raised about soy formula and its use for infants.
I have serious doubts about this statement from the article:
quote:Research in 2000 showed that a soy-based diet at any age can lead to a weak thyroid, which commonly produces heart problems and excess fat. Could this explain the dramatic increase in obesity today?
Just a guess, but I would venture to say that the vast majority of overweight people are not getting fat on soy products, but rather on fast foods and oversize portions.
Snopes has some interesting info on the subject.
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I'm very rightwinged by most accounts and a regular at several conservative websites (it was one of these that brought my attention to this), but I'd never heard of WND before today. But then I'm not a religious conservative.
There are nuts all across the political spectrum, at the ends, in the middle, every where. But I'm in the mood to pick on some of my fellow conservatives today. Including the makers of this silly thing: Behind: Eternal Forces, known as the "convert or die game." http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2006/12/12/MNG8TMU1KQ1.DTLPosts: 407 | Registered: Mar 2006
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I think National Dairy Month is coming up (january). Every time NDM approaches, we are hit with articles detailing the evils of soy.
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I had a google around on soy and senility. Here's what I found out:
Soy prevents cancer. Soy doesn't prevent cancer. Soy correlates with earlier senility in men. ...no, in everyone. ...no, it's useful for treating Alzheimer's (not very, I expect, or tofu for seniors would be all over the tube)
Fortunately, for me, the decision is easy. At least until tofu starts tasting a lot better.
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I like soy milk, but there is enough of a stir about the phytoestrogens (estrogen-like compounds in soy) that I shy away from it now. I have a family history of breast cancer, and though it isn't the kind known to be hereditary, this isn't one of the areas where it's worth it to me to take the chance until the research is in.
Just like I stopped taking a birth control pill, so I've regretfully been passing on my beloved Silk chocolate.
quote:Soy is feminizing, and commonly leads to a decrease in the size of the penis, sexual confusion and homosexuality.
LOL. What a funny article! Also when considering the dudes I've been with are usually well endowed.
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Gotta love churchy people pretending to be scientists.
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I avoid soy protein isolates. There is a lot of concern over soy, but the part about it making people gay is silly. I'm more concerned about little kids being raised on low fat diets leading to depression, sleep disorders, immune problems, and whatever else can result from a lack of essential fatty acids.
For a while I took soy because it made my period regular. But it also apparently made me temporarily infertile. Cutting out chocolate and most sugars has accomplished the regularity part, and it saves money rather than costing. Though I haven't checked to see if I'm fertile, lately.
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quote:Originally posted by The Pixiest: I stopped reading when I saw the URL was World Net Daily.
Please don't quote us articles from there. They're right wing version of NPR or the NY Times.
Actually, WND is more like a right-wing version of indymedia.org. It makes NPR and the NYT positively moderate, in terms of news coverage (I will grant that the op-eds of those sources may be more leftist).
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See, Livvie, when I hear that name, I picture a giant gearshift, and this man standing with his hand on it, grinning ear to ear... Posts: 21182 | Registered: Sep 2004
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I always feel suspicious of people spouting off like that. I go to Snopes when I get e-mails that ask to be forwarded. I double-check to make sure my car doors are locked.
Anyway, my older daughter likes chocolate soy milk ... with her cocoa puffs cereal. Posts: 2034 | Registered: Apr 2004
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Soy is consumed a lot by vegetarians. Vegetarians tend to generally be liberal. Gay people are typically liberal as well. I'm sure that means that there is a population of Gay vegetarians who consume soy. Yes there are tons of exceptions in both regards, I will not dispute that.
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If Stephan is serious, and I really can't tell if he is, I think we have a new winner for the "correlation != causation" thread...
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quote:Originally posted by The Pixiest: Soy doesn't make you gay?
*tears up plans to spike Fred Phelp's drink*
Would I have the honors of spiking it? I truly despise that man!
Anyways, this is absolutely ridiculous. Besides the hilarity of the notion that soy milk makes you gay ("OH NOES!!1!"), I find the idea of gender stereotyping worse. People are so preoccupied with making genders equal tha I'm always amused when they panic at the slightest hint of femininity in a man and butchness in a woman. Jeez... as far as I'm concerned, gender roles and archetypes shouldn't exist. An effinite, artsy man is no less a man than a sports nut, car-buff man, and saying otherwise is worthy of the sad shaking of my head.
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quote:Originally posted by stihl1: What's wrong with regular cow milk?
If you're lactose intolerant, as I am, then cow's milk gives you stomach aches. And besides, soy milk tastes better. Posts: 1321 | Registered: Sep 1999
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Although kefirized cows milk doesn't give stomach aches. Because the lactose is all gone.
I used to drink soy milk until I learned about the estrogen side effects. I don't, at this point anyway, need to add more estrogen to this body.
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I assumed you meant "consume soy milk" and not just drinking it -- we use most of it in cooking, not to drink straight.
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I'm going to start drinking soy milk, and stop when I'm bi. I don't think my GF would like me to be fully gay, but being just a little gay might help me dress nicer Posts: 3950 | Registered: Mar 2006
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That article was ridiculous. I did do some reading on this myself a few months back, though, and came to the conclusion that I would not feed my son soy milk or soy products. I found plenty of positive things about soy products, but couldn't help but notice that the vast majority of them were put out there or somehow linked to soybean farmers. I then found information suggesting that soy milk negatively impacted digestion, thyroid development, sexual development (function, not orientation), and was linked to diabetes. Soy is a natural source of estrogen.
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So is plastic. Well, not "natural," per se, but most water bottles and the like are packed with estrogens that leak into the liquids they carry.
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I still can't figure out how this issue has no bearing on the entire nation of Japan. Maybe it's a physiological difference, but soy products are a huge staple of the Japanese diet for men and women, adults and children. Are there any studies about soy's estrogen contents that explain why all of Asia is just fine?
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Read part two Annie. He addresses Japan and provides links to a study. He basically says that they don't each as much soy as we think they eat, and a lot of what they do eat is molecularly different. For clarification, I just wanted to let you know that although I'm pointing you to where he answers your question, I'm not into defending the author or his sources.
In regards to the article, I honestly thought it was satire at first. This stuff is funnier reading than The Onion. Even if there are valid concerns about using soy products, this guy is so over the top by saying it will turn all us guys into teh gay that it's just hard to take him seriously.
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The Asian diet is hugely different from ours and I'm not sure, therefore, how you could do a direct comparison. I think it would be impossible to isolate the effects of the soybean products. In truth, all studies of how certain foods impact our lives are a bit difficult to swallow because how do you isolate the effects of that one food?
The truth is, it wasn't hard for me to make the decision not to give my child soybean products. We have no allergies and they have never been a part of my diet, either. I looked into it because of a recent health trend that suggests soy and soybean products are good for you, but I didn't find conclusive evidence that this was a healthy food that I should include in my diet. I found a lot of information put out there by soybean farmers suggesting that soybeans can do all kinds of things for you from reducing heart disease to curing cancer, but other foods have those claims as well. Meanwhile, I found the articles suggesting that it might be bad for children compelling. Since my family makes a lot of healthy food choices including lean meats, fish, fruits, and vegetables and since we have no allergy concerns, it just seemed better to stick with the diet I felt comfortable with.
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The average American eats a lot more soy than they think they do. Many processed foods contain some sort of soy - lethecin, vegetable oil/gum/starch/protein, mono and diglyceride, vit E, natural flavoring are often made from soy.
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