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Ha, I thought you would ask why. It made me laugh because it is usually the opposite, so it hit the ironic/juxtaposition funny bone. And, it is really sweet, and hit that funny bone as well.
It was not a Laugh-at, by any means, I just thought it was sweet and cute.
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$500 a pound?? That's like $30 an ounce...Can I buy from you?
It should be illegal to smoke weed and drive, like with alcohol, and be restricted to minors. But why should it be illegal to smoke it in your own house?
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Crack and meth (and coke and heroin, for that matter) would not fade away were pot legalized. People use different drugs for different reasons, and speaking as a cocaine and opioid enthusiast, no one who likes the hard stuff will suddenly start smoking pot just because it was made legal. People who want to use pot as a substitution drug do it already. As far as experimentation, instead of underage kids smoking pot because dealers don't ID, you will have underage kids trying all sorts of drugs because dealers don't ID. Not that they don't already, but the problem would get worse.
The reasons to legalize cannabis are moral and economic. Legalisation of pot will not win the rest of the drug war for the prohibitionists.
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Was that because of a personal choice? Or just never hanging out with friends that would do it and never really getting exposed to it? Or both?
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It's been said before, but my basic opinion is that marijuana should be legalized in a similar manner to alcohol. Having had plenty of experience with it, I just can't be made to believe that, used in moderation, marijuana is any more unsafe than alcohol. I know when I'm ok to drive after smoking just as I know when I've had too much to drink. Unfortunately a lot of people don't know their limits, but that goes for drugs, alcohol, whatever. I just don't see the point in making one substance (and I personally find marijuana to be far less dangerous than alcohol) legal under restriction while the other carries heavy penalty for using and/or possessing it.
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quote:Originally posted by GaalDornick: Was that because of a personal choice? Or just never hanging out with friends that would do it and never really getting exposed to it? Or both?
Combination of the two. Personal choice defined the kind of people I hung out with. It's not something I was ever interested in, or in being around at all, so I became friends with like minded people.
When some of my friends from high school started partying a lot, we drifted. And I don't hang out with anyone at work because they're high most of the time they aren't at work. I like all my brain cells right where they are.
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I always wanted to know what getting high was like, so I tried it in high school. Turned out I had a really big resistence to it, and it took an entire bongful and then sitting in a car with the windows closed as my friends smoked and we drove to see a movie (incidentally, "Scanners" and the "Exterminator" may be a cool double feature, but not when you're stoned).
The next day at school, I couldn't remember how to do a calc integral I'd learned the previous day. I decided then and there that getting high wasn't worth it. Geeky, I know, but I don't forget things like that.
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quote:I always wanted to know what getting high was like, so I tried it in high school. Turned out I had a really big resistence to it, and it took an entire bongful and then sitting in a car with the windows closed as my friends smoked and we drove to see a movie (incidentally, "Scanners" and the "Exterminator" may be a cool double feature, but not when you're stoned).
The next day at school, I couldn't remember how to do a calc integral I'd learned the previous day. I decided then and there that getting high wasn't worth it. Geeky, I know, but I don't forget things like that.
As far as I'm aware the weed-specific effects on the memory are not so direct as that. It's more of a gradual change in the chemical makeup of the brain that can lead to a change in your short term memory. I'd probably compare your experience, if it was related to the weed at all, which of course would be very hard to - and even then you could be wrong, to that of any displacement. Such as getting very drunk the evening after learning something, or playing many hours of hard sports, or reading loads about politics or philosophy. It wasn't so much the drug itself, but merely the way that it was experienced.
quote:I always wanted to know what getting high was like, so I tried it in high school. Turned out I had a really big resistence to it, and it took an entire bongful and then sitting in a car with the windows closed as my friends smoked and we drove to see a movie (incidentally, "Scanners" and the "Exterminator" may be a cool double feature, but not when you're stoned).
The next day at school, I couldn't remember how to do a calc integral I'd learned the previous day. I decided then and there that getting high wasn't worth it. Geeky, I know, but I don't forget things like that.
As far as I'm aware the weed-specific effects on the memory are not so direct as that. It's more of a gradual change in the chemical makeup of the brain that can lead to a change in your short term memory. I'd probably compare your experience, if it was related to the weed at all, which of course would be very hard to - and even then you could be wrong, to that of any displacement. Such as getting very drunk the evening after learning something, or playing many hours of hard sports, or reading loads about politics or philosophy. It wasn't so much the drug itself, but merely the way that it was experienced.
You could be right. I think I'll avoid the risk, though. For the record, I absolutely love the smell of pot. I used to love walking past rooms in my dorm where the smell was seeping under the door. But my memory and speed of thought is pretty much all I have.
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I don't really think that many people want Pot legalized becausee legalization means commercialization. I think what pro-Pot people want is for it to be decriminalized. That way it sort of stays in an underground person-to-person economy.
If Pot is made legal there are actually going to be many many many many more laws passed regulating and controlling it. Soon, big business will take over and begin adding fillers, enhancers, chemicals to make it burn uniformly and to make it keep burning even if no one is smoking it (assuming it was already lit of course). They will have to add or subtract raw THC to keep the potency uniform. Naturally the various governments are going to add their various 'sin' taxes to it. Import taxes will have to be paid. The Pot will have to be inspected for purity; to make sure it is free of bugs and other types of oganic contamination. Then it is going to have to be licensed; licenses to grow, to package, to transport, to distribute, to import, to export, to sell retail.
All in all, from beginning to end, the little guy gets screwed and the big corporations continue to make big profits.
Like I said, I think most pro-Pot people would comfortably settle for it being completely decriminalized. That way it could stay in the hands of the people.
Of course, commercialization does open the door to Pot, or in this case, more accurately, THC being available in other forms. For example, you could go to a bar and order either a glass of beer or a frothy frosty glass of fruity TCH enhanced beverage. Though it seems a ridiculous plan, they could even fortify beer with THC. Perhaps, you could order a beer and a THC brownie.
In a sense, that's what commericalization means commitees of business men sitting around thinking of new way to package and distribute THC. Thinking of new AD campains to make Pot/THC appealing to people. "Joe Camel says 'Drink Mary Jane; it's cool and all the girls will love you'".
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For the record, I'm pro-legalization and pro-government monopoly of marijuana, along the lines of how the LCBO is the only retailer in Ontario that can sell alcohol.
Private enterprise makes it, the government is the only legal consumer(wholesaler?), who then retails it (with a hefty markup) to the consumer.
The market will exist one way or another, and the little guy will be screwed by either the current state of affairs, big business, or the government. Might as well screw him in a way that makes money and lowers our taxes Posts: 7593 | Registered: Sep 2006
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quote:So our choices are between illigality and corperate whore bags?
No, it's between Illegal, Decriminialized, and corporate whore bags.
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quote:For the record, I'm pro-legalization and pro-government monopoly of marijuana, along the lines of how the LCBO is the only retailer in Ontario that can sell alcohol.
Private enterprise makes it, the government is the only legal consumer(wholesaler?), who then retails it (with a hefty markup) to the consumer.
One small problem with this approach, when you have a one source monopoly the quality is usually crap. Without competition, there is no need to compete, there is no need to have a quality product. You either buy crap from us, or you go without. Once again, that only spawns an illegal underground economy.
I'm not saying the Decriminalization method is without it's own problems, but I think it is the method most Pot smokers would prefer.
As to the commercialization of Hemp, I could see that happening. Hemp is a good crop with may potential products being produced. Hemp used to be a big cash crop, especially during the war when they needed the rope. But the anti-pot people put the kibosh on Hemp farming out of fear the the farmers might sneak in a few smoking grade plants.
For the record all you get from smoking Hemp is a headache. Hemp was at one time grown in Minnesota and Iowa (plus many other states), and you still see remnants of 'ditch' weed all over the place. Commercial Hemp plants can grow to the size of trees in a single season. I saw one growing along the fense line by the Mississippi River that was easily 16 feet tall. But again -- headache.
With farmers trapped mostly in endless cycles of soybean and corn, it would be nice to have this addition, easy to grow, easy to harvest crop available to them.
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Hardly, in this system, the wholesaler can buy alcohol from any number of private competing sources. Thats why we can buy Canadian beer, German beer, American beer, anything we want. The quality is exactly the same since the end consumer can always choose *what* alcohol they want to buy, just not *where* to buy it. The only thing is the government controls distribution, thus a big markup. But I think for most people, given a choice between illegal underground and expensive distribution, the choice is clearly the latter. Hence, no underground economy.
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In other words, you're willing to restrict the freedom of others so long as you get a cut. Nice.
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Edit to add for non-Ontarians: cigarette taxes, casino taxes, any kind of sin tax.
The amusing thing is that the previous two governments, one left wing, one right wing have both tried to sell the LCBO (i.e. privatization) for a quick short term buck, but in the end backed down due to minimal public support.
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IN a lot of states they do this with alcohol. You can buy it from distributers, but the law forces them to control their prices so they are the same. Usally higher than the consumer can buy it for home consumption.
I know in MA that is how it is done, and it sucks.
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Given the methods of distribution used with marijuana today, I have to wonder how effective a government pot monopoly would be. Keep in mind that this is a plant that grows almost anywhere, and anyone can grow schwag weed for home consumption. It is not like alcohol where home production takes a decent amount of skill to get a drinkable product. (Although as another poster has speculated, you can substitute cannabis for hops to brew marijuana beer.)
Personally, I favor decriminalization now, but if the government would keep their filthy paws out of regulating it I would favor full legalization.
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