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SteveRogers
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Is the new Nine Inch Nails CD good?
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Yes it is!

I picked it up yesterday after listening to it a few times on the website and finding that I was frustrated that I had to drag my laptop along to listen to it. I was initially put off by how stripped-down it sounded, but I've come around it it. I'm certainly enjoying it more than With Teeth.

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I was going to buy it with a bunch of quarters. But the Wal-Mart website lied to me, so it was more than ten bucks. I'll probably get it eventually. From what I've heard, it's really a return to form.
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Aw, man, I thought this was going to be a new Frank Miller Batman.
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No such luck. Not a big NIN fans Dag?
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Not a fan - I like their (much) older stuff from college, but haven't heard anything new from them since a couple years after I graduated.

But I've got the album playing now from their web site - it's pretty good.

But the idea of a Batman series about what he did right before he came back to Gotham sounded really good when I thought that's what this was.

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Lime
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I started reading Batman: Year Zero while I was browsing through the comics at Barnes and Noble and it looks like it laid the groundwork for Batman Begins. How much pre-Gotham does the book get into?


Steve: it seems to be a return to ALL of his past forms. YZ isn't afraid to show the influence of past efforts and I think its better for it.

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I'm not a huge fan myself. I like some of their stuff. Truthfully, my favorite song by them is "March of the Pigs."
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I like NIN a lot, haven't got their new album yet though. I read an interesting essay on "The Downward Spiral" a several years ago, you may find it interesting to. It kind of helped me appreciate the Downward Spiral as an album as a whole, rather than individual songs. I think it was written by a couple of college students. I'll see if I can dig it up.

A dissertation on the Downward Spiral

Warning: The above link deals with mature themes, and there is profanity involved (in that it quotes NIN songs). But hey, if you've listened to the album, you're not going to find anything worse in the essay.

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I just got it tonight, and played it for the first time. I'm really really liking it. The song Vessel I just had to play twice, and it got inside of me, you know? The whole thing is wonderful. The last few tracks are heartbreaking. I don't know how he does it but Trent just keeps getting better. It's like sweeter and sadder and harder each time, and more painful. <3 Trent!
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I just bought it this week, and find myself listening to it a lot as I work. It's actually my first NIN album, but I really like it. How similar are Reznor's past albums? Any recomendations?
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Ah, but Dagonee, their is a new Frank Miller Batman, and it is terrible. (All Stars.) Lime, did you mean Batman Year One? And back to your regularly scheduled thread.
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D'oh. Yes, Batman: Year One. There seemed to be a lot of material there that was borrowed for Begins.

I read the linked dissertation on The Downward Spiral. That was interesting, thank you.

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Wonder Dog, I've got Pretty Hate Machine, The Downward Spiral, Broken, The Fragile, With Teeth, and now this new one Year Zero. So far they're all excellent. I love them all!
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Does he have a "Best of" album out yet?
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The mind boggles at the thought.
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quote:
I just bought it this week, and find myself listening to it a lot as I work. It's actually my first NIN album, but I really like it. How similar are Reznor's past albums? Any recomendations?
Broken and Downward Spiral are the two must-haves. Pretty Hate Machine is more mainstream. I don't much like it, but I can see why other people do.
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quote:
Originally posted by Wonder Dog:
Does he have a "Best of" album out yet?

I wouldn't really consider NIN to be pop music. That probably sounds silly since a lot of their work has been widely listened to. I'm sure there's a lot of people who listen to obscure industrial bands that would say NIN is a sellout pop band, but Reznor has always seemed to be more about the art than commercialism. He's said some pretty scathing things about the RIAA lately as well, and has a history of doing his own thing when a label tried to pressure him to go a different direction.

NIN doesn't really do single friendly songs. Some of them work better as stand-alone songs than others (particularly from Pretty Hate Machine, NIN's least thematic album). He's very much into the concept album idea- think Pink Floyd's The Wall. So, unlike a lot of other bands, when you buy and album you're buying the whole album, not just two songs that were played on the radio a lot that you liked.

I really wouldn't see a Best Of album as anything but a musical disaster. I'm just imagining Closer, followed by Hurt, Happiness in Slavery, Head Like a Hole, A Warm Place... *shudder

BTW Tatiana...I have to say that you admitting to owning and loving all the major NIN albums was one of the more surprising bits of Hatrack disclosure I've ever heard. Very cool.

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Tatiana
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"BTW Tatiana...I have to say that you admitting to owning and loving all the major NIN albums was one of the more surprising bits of Hatrack disclosure I've ever heard. Very cool."

I'm trying to understand this statement, just from curiosity. Is it because I'm such a Molly Mormon type that you thought the darkness in this music would upset me?

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I'm such a Molly Mormon type ...
<snicker> [Big Grin]
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Thanks for the info Tatiana, Destineer and BaoQingTian! I think I'll start hunting down more of his albums. BaoQingTian, I can totally see what you're saying - no single song on Year Zero would be as good without the context of the whole album.
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Uhh... that's my post up there. I guess I posted from my wife's lurker account instead. [Dont Know]
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quote:
Originally posted by Tatiana:
"BTW Tatiana...I have to say that you admitting to owning and loving all the major NIN albums was one of the more surprising bits of Hatrack disclosure I've ever heard. Very cool."

I'm trying to understand this statement, just from curiosity. Is it because I'm such a Molly Mormon type that you thought the darkness in this music would upset me?

No. I've read your posts here and on T&S and don't think you're a Molly Mormon at all.

It's more like this:
1) I know very few engineers that like NIN.
2) I know very few LDS who like NIN
3) I know very few women who like NIN
4) I know very few people out of their teens or early twenties who like NIN.

Combine them all together, and based on what little I knew about you, you being a NIN fan seemed pretty unlikely. FWIW, I'm a LDS male engineer out of his early 20s who's likes NIN so maybe i shouldn't have been surprised [Dont Know]

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I really like the CD. If you're a NIN fan, you won't be disappointed. "The Good Soldier" is my favorite song on the album.
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BaoQingTian, I understand now. Chyea for NIN loving LDS engineers of all ages! [Smile]

(Though actually I am kinda Molly Mormon. I fully admit that. [Smile] )

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quote:
Originally posted by BaoQingTian:
It's more like this:
1) I know very few engineers that like NIN.
2) I know very few LDS who like NIN
3) I know very few women who like NIN
4) I know very few people out of their teens or early twenties who like NIN.

Well, lets see. I'm a woman, I'm 50. And...I'm a NIN fan. At least of what I've heard, which mostly consists of The Downward Spiral (which I own) and Pretty Hate Machine (which I used to hear quite a bit via a friend). "Closer" and "Hurt" are pretty much brilliant. Not sure what all that says about me, but oh well.

Of course, when I was a practicing Mormon, I wasn't what you'd call Molly at all, so maybe that explains it. [Smile]

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I like nails, and I'm mormon. Excellent moody music.

I like Cash covering hurt better though [Razz]

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I'm pretty much listening to this cd full time now, and it's becoming one of those "necessary like oxygen" cds. [Smile]

This quatrain from "My Violent Heart" is just about my favorite line from a NIN song ever.

You have set something in motion
Much greater than you've ever known,
Standing there in all your grand naivete
About to reap what you have sown.

Does anyone else feel like NIN is some of the most spiritual music being written today? This cd is devastating. So much painful beauty, soul-searching, and brutal honesty.

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Wow there are a whole series of mysterious websites connected with the cd. The NIN wiki tells about them.
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