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The Rev. Jerry Falwell, who founded the Moral Majority and built the religious right into a political force, died Tuesday shortly after being found unconscious in his office at Liberty University, a school executive said. He was 73. (link)
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Well, I always had very mixed emotions about Rev. Falwell. I shall just leave it at rest in peace.
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Heretics! Open noodly appendages. You shall burn for this. And by that I mean have a lot of red pepper flakes on your next pasta meal.
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quote:Originally posted by MrSquicky: Heretics! Open noodly appendages. You shall burn for this. And by that I mean have a lot of red pepper flakes on your next pasta meal.
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Yeah, but he's gotta be a pretty high-level cleric by this point. I hope you have a good CHA score.
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Well, I don't believe that Jesus made God the all loving guy everyone seems to make him out to be. Although, that is a discussion I don't have time to explain in more detail.
By the way, if Falwell is correct that doesn't put me into a comfortable position either.
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In the CNN article about his passing, I have found proof that there is a God of some sort:
quote: One week before his death, Falwell told CNN's Christiane Amanpour he needed at least 20 more years to accomplish his vision for Liberty University.
Falwell told the story of Hezekiah, who in the Bible asked to live for 15 more years.
"I'm praying the same prayer with an option to renew," Falwell said.
And He/She/It (they?) has a great flare for comedic irony.
ETA: Not that I have any particular feelings about his life or death, that I'm aware of. I don't think death is necessarily a sad thing, especially for the person who dies, though it's hard to lose someone you love or admire.
quote:Originally posted by Olivet: In the CNN article about his passing, I have found proof that there is a God of some sort:
quote: One week before his death, Falwell told CNN's Christiane Amanpour he needed at least 20 more years to accomplish his vision for Liberty University.
Falwell told the story of Hezekiah, who in the Bible asked to live for 15 more years.
"I'm praying the same prayer with an option to renew," Falwell said.
And He/She/It (they?) has a great flare for comedic irony.
That's irony all right...as I always expected.
I'm not glad the guy's dead. And the damage he's done to some people, and to our reputation as a group, isn't going to be fixed by this (or by anything). But at least it's over.
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God rest him. Give him peace, and give peace to his family.
The tone of this thread makes me happy. All the other places they were discussing this with glee, whether overt or outright--and it rather disgusted me. I'd forgotten why I love Hatrack so much.
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quote:Originally posted by Mabus: I'm not glad the guy's dead. And the damage he's done to some people, and to our reputation as a group, isn't going to be fixed by this (or by anything). But at least it's over.
That captures my reaction pretty neatly. Thanks.
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I'm not glad the guy's dead. And the damage he's done to some people, and to our reputation as a group, isn't going to be fixed by this (or by anything). But at least it's over. [/QB][/QUOTE]
I never rejoice at anyones death, no matter how i may feel about the idividual. I myself am a christian and hope to one day become a pastor. With that said, I was not a big fan of his, or anyone that gets caught up on political issues rather than working to help others.
I have very strong beliefs on certain issues, but one of those is to love your neighbor AND your enemy as yourself. Its ok to believe others are wrong but a christian is supossed to respect others, even when they are not respected in return. I would much rather try to support my cause by overwelming others with love than bashing them with hate.
Rest in peace Rev. I believe you tried, for better or worse.
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quote:Originally posted by Joldo: The tone of this thread makes me happy. All the other places they were discussing this with glee, whether overt or outright--and it rather disgusted me. I'd forgotten why I love Hatrack so much.
I will try to accentuate the positive as you have done, rather than be sad about the glee that I do see over a family's misfortune. Most of us here, it seems, are expressing sympathy rather than glee.
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Oh, I don't know, the glee is right there under the surface, Qaz. It's really not very difficult to see.
Not that I'm faulting anyone for that in particular-being happy someone is dead, I'm just pointing out that it's there, and ill-concealed in some cases.
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I never liked him. But I won't celebrate his passing. That's unkind. The only person's death in recent memory that made me think "Finally!" (as well as other meaner thoughts) was Saddam Hussein.
According to MSNBC Falwell was the White House "defacto Executive Director of Domestic and Global Policy."
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There should never be a rejoicing over a person's death for personal gain. If you rejoice, it should and only should be because that person has moved on to a better place (by your belief)
I grieve for his family, and his friends. They will miss him.
Whether I agreed with all his ideas or idealisms is a not an issue. The man moved the world for a time and that's more than 99.9 percent of the human population can can say! Good, bad or indifferent, he lived what he believed and altered the world!
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Whatever I personally thought of him in life is irrelevant during his passing. I'll just say that he should rest in peace. I harbor no ill will to the dead, and I don't personally ever celebrate the death of a human being.
The analysis of his life's work, however, is more than relevant. I don't even really need to say much, I think. A pro-apartheid, anti-civil rights, virulently homophobic, aggressively bigoted man who devoted his life to essentially making life worse for a lot of people by propagating his intolerance, has died. The commentary writes itself.
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quote:Whatever I personally thought of him in life is irrelevant during his passing. I'll just say that he should rest in peace. I harbor no ill will to the dead, and I don't personally ever celebrate the death of a human being.
The analysis of his life's work, however, is more than relevant. I don't even really need to say much, I think. A pro-apartheid, anti-civil rights, virulently homophobic, aggressively bigoted man who devoted his life to essentially making life worse for a lot of people by propagating his intolerance, has died. The commentary writes itself.
*laugh* Oh come now Samp, who do you think you're kidding? The commentary didn't write itself, you just wrote it, and left many things clearly thought and implied but unsaid.
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But you don't harbor any ill-will towards a man who was "...pro-apartheid, anti-civil rights, virulently homophobic, aggressively bigoted man who devoted his life to essentially making life worse for a lot of people by propagating his intolerance...", right?
C'mon, your words make it pretty clear you despised the man, and that you're glad or at least relieved he's dead.
Which is fine with me, honestly. What gets my goat is the pretense of courtesy and tolerance.
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errr...How do those words make it clear he despised him?
They are accurate descriptions. Can you not accurately describe someone who has done bad things without despising them?
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Well, the 'commentary writes itself' remark after the incomplete (unless you think that's ALL he was) description is one thing that makes it pretty clear to me.
quote:Can you not accurately describe someone who has done bad things without despising them?
Sure you can, if they were just 'bad' things. "Johnny sometimes drank to excess" or "Jane was a litterbug" are bad things. Being a very powerful bigoted hate-monger who made life worse for others isn't just a 'bad' thing, it's a horrible thing, an awful thing.
Given the said-but-unsaid 'commentary', I have an extremely difficult time believing that Samp doesn't despise him.
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I despised Falwell, but I'm not relieved he's dead mainly because I think he became irrelevant about five years ago.
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I suspect that may be a problem with you, not one with Samp then. I don't think you've got the perspective to be calling him a liar.
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*shrug* Mr. Squicky, you have at many points in the past made personal character judgements about people just as harsh as the one I'm making here (and before you ask, no, I'm not going to mine Hatrack and find them).
Samp is welcome to claim he doesn't harbor ill will or despise the man. Given his other statements, though, I just don't believe him if he says that. When someone tells me that person A is a horrible, awful person who made life worse for many people around him, who was a hateful man...yeah, I think they despise that person, as a rule.
I've met and spoken with very few (I could count them on one hand) people in my lifetime who could truthfully not despise someone like that.
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quote:I've met and spoken with very few (I could count them on one hand) people in my lifetime who could truthfully not despise someone like that.
I imagine that's not close to being true, but if it is, I feel very sorry for you.
To me, this is something that most adults worthy of the name are capable of doing. You may have a different perspective if you hung out with a more mature crowd.
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Rakeesh, I pretty much agree with what Samp said, and I don't despise Falwell nor am I glad he's dead. I think, intellectually, he did a lot of harm in the world, but he's so far removed from me that I have little to no emotional response to him at all. For me to despise him, I would have to know him personally or at least what he has done would have to have directly harmed me or those I hold dear. So I don't think there was anything disingenuous about Samp's post, and your attack on him frankly baffles me. Say he's being rude if you want, but I don't see where you get off saying he's not being honest.
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