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Eduardo_Sauron
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I read about it in a brazilian website (www.terra.com.br). You can see a link at his homepage, next to the nice display "God Hates You" (Charming...). If you don't know already...the site is kinda disturbing. If you want to go there, just search on google. It's easy enough.

My take on it: It is really, really possible to use religion to do anything, including vile things such as picketing an actor's funeral because he played an homossexual role in a movie.

I'd say that God Hates Phelps, but I'm not sure that He hates anyone, so... [Frown]

(Edited so the web address does not appear anymore)

[ January 27, 2008, 10:32 PM: Message edited by: Eduardo_Sauron ]

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The more people ignore him, the happier the world will be. Do you honestly feel a need to link to his page? (No offense intended, but I am curious.)
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I personally think this is an improvement over dead soldier picketing.
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Didn't they already discuss this in the Heath Ledger thread?

Keep in mind, most of the the majority of members in Phelps' church are his own relatives. They're not a particularly big denomination. But the media keeps fixating on them because they're loud and guarantee a rise out of viewers.

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Eduardo_Sauron
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Tstorm... I included an advice that the site was quite disturbing. I thought it was common practice including sources to news we posted. The site where I read it first is in portuguese. Because of that, I just searched for the primary source: his own website.

So, in response to your question: yes...I honestly felt the need to link to his page.

If people want it, I could just use the "url" button to hide the link. I just felt it was unnecessary.

Airmanfour: I don't think it's an improvement. It's as bad as picketing dead soldier's funerals. Actors and soldiers are both human and deserve equal respect (IMHO, of course. People might disagree). I guess it would be an improvement if they stopped it altogether.
Actually...one of the few OSC rants I agreed with was the one about the picketing at funerals thing. It's quite...I don't know... it's so bad that words fail me.

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quote:
Originally posted by Eduardo_Sauron:
\] Airmanfour: I don't think it's an improvement. It's as bad as picketing dead soldier's funerals. Actors and soldiers are both human and deserve equal respect (IMHO, of course. People might disagree). I guess it would be an improvement if they stopped it altogether.

I think it's BS that this Joker dies and it's splattered all over the news and this Army SSG dies three days before in combat and he gets a blurb in the New York Sun.

One day away from the funeral of someone who lived and died for something versus someone who lived and died for not very much is an improvement in my book.

It doesn't hurt that Heath's people can probably afford security.

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Phelps should DIAF already.

Eduardo, I think Tstorm was saying that because links generate traffic. I've hesitated to use links to Phelps' hatesites in my posts referring to that jackal--I think sometimes I linked and sometimes I didn't.

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airmanfour:

I don't think it has to do with a lack of respect or priorities over who we honor. Heath Ledger was a public figure, and many, many more people know who he is than a fallen soldier. There is often an effect like this when a celebrity dies because people sometimes feel as if they lost someone they knew; they see this person's face all the time in movies and at big televised events and things.

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quote:
Originally posted by Little_Doctor:
airmanfour:

I don't think it has to do with a lack of respect or priorities over who we honor. Heath Ledger was a public figure, and many, many more people know who he is than a fallen soldier. There is often an effect like this when a celebrity dies because people sometimes feel as if they lost someone they knew; they see this person's face all the time in movies and at big televised events and things.

That makes sense. What upsets me is that people seem to value his life more just because his face was familiar. Ubiquitousness should not equate to worth.
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What upsets me is that people seem to value his life more just because his face was familiar.
Would you be more upset over the death of a soldier you'd never met than the death of your own sibling, parent, spouse, or even a close but unrelated friend?

I think this is more or less the point Little_Doctor was making.

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And news coverage, likewise, does not equate to esteem. I'm personally glad that the soldier's funeral will hopefully be a private and quiet affair. Or was it in the news due to picketing?
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quote:
One day away from the funeral of someone who lived and died for something versus someone who lived and died for not very much is an improvement in my book.
Everybody lives and dies for something, my friend. Even the ones who hadn't the privilege of serving one's country in it's Armed Forces. Besides being "The Joker", and a talented actor, Heath Ledger had a little daughter and parents who are, no doubt, devastated by his death. I'm sure the dead soldier's family feel the same way. Neither family deserve any crap (A.K.A. Rev. Phelps) in their loved one's funeral. [Frown]
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Lisa
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Eduardo, would you mind just giving the URL for the site without the hyperlink? And maybe with spaces thrown in? It'll still let people go there if they want, but Hatrack forum pages are indexed by Google, and I'm sure you don't really want to add to his Googlability, do you?
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Eduardo_Sauron
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No problem, Lisa.
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Personally, I would consider it to be an honor to have him protest at my funeral.
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I think it's BS that this Joker dies and it's splattered all over the news and this Army SSG dies three days before in combat and he gets a blurb in the New York Sun.
Heath ledger is an international movie star and a celebrity, the army SSG is not. The more someone is known, the more their death coverage is, nearly always.
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While it's great to have a bazillion people sad about your death, after a certain point, dying and being extremely well known for it just brings baggage.

Having known someone whose tragic death got his picture printed in People Magazine, I'd rather be the guy with the short blurb than the human interest story. Yes, if people who never knew me, but knew of me, mourned my passing, I'd find that flattering. But when people who did know me have to deal with random strangers discussing my death as a casual news item, it crosses the line and becomes a bad thing.

Journalists standing in the woods across the street from the church, taking pictures with telephoto lenses of you and your friends leaving the funeral: NOT COOL.

I think the soliders have it better.

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