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Lisa
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'Nuff said.
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For tears of joy!

[Taunt]

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It'll be nice to celebrate for once. In 2000 I was disgusted, and in 2004 I was pissed. This could be a nice reaction on an election night.
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I was upset in 2000, in 2004 I felt like my heart had been ripped out of my body. And I didn't even particularly like Kerry that much.
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Me neither.

I actually volunteered for Howard Dean in 2004.

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http://www.gocomics.com/nonsequitur/2008/11/02/
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quote:
Originally posted by Strider:
I was upset in 2000, in 2004 I felt like my heart had been ripped out of my body. And I didn't even particularly like Kerry that much.

I think Kerry's problem was that no one liked him that much.
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I'm much more upset that prop 8 will pass than the obamanation will be president.

The way I figure it, if he's as bad as I think, he'll be gone in four years and we can get back to our lives. If he's worse, he'll get impeached. If he's not as bad, well hey, I'm happy to be wrong. Besides, McLame is pretty much a democrat himself. At least this way, it won't be the guy I voted for bringing socialism to every aspect of our lives.

Prop 8 is going to be around for a long time and it's going to take a lot of effort and money to get rid of.

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This is what democracy is: sometimes 'you' win, other times 'you' lose-- it shows that your democracy is working. Both your parties have a word that means a country with elections in their name. They should expect to see some ebb and flow. It's not like you've had sixteen years of Democrats and now you're onto more Democrats. You've had eight years of Democrats, eight years of Republicans. The system is working.
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Exactly Tesh. YOUR GUY is not always the one in power. (which is another reason to shrink the size of goverment. but that argument is lost on this current generation I think...)
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quote:
Originally posted by The Pixiest:
I'm much more upset that prop 8 will pass than the obamanation will be president.

The way I figure it, if he's as bad as I think, he'll be gone in four years and we can get back to our lives. If he's worse, he'll get impeached. If he's not as bad, well hey, I'm happy to be wrong. Besides, McLame is pretty much a democrat himself. At least this way, it won't be the guy I voted for bringing socialism to every aspect of our lives.

Prop 8 is going to be around for a long time and it's going to take a lot of effort and money to get rid of.

Prop 8 is down in polls though... it always has been losing.

Why are you getting all republican on us with the "obamanation" garbage? I expect more. I don't know exactly why, but I do.

Edit: Oh and in case you never noticed: "Obamanation" is a racial epithet.

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quote:
Originally posted by Orincoro:
Edit: Oh and in case you never noticed: "Obamanation" is a racial epithet.

Is it? I've heard both people for and against Obama using that term.

Of course, generally, the pro-Obama (Probama?) people are using it as a play on Obama Nation AND abomination.

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No I had never noticed, and I still fail to see how it it an racial anything.
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quote:
Originally posted by The Pixiest:
Prop 8 is going to be around for a long time and it's going to take a lot of effort and money to get rid of.

Apparently, some of the Prop 8 supporters have been calling people pretending to be pro-gay and telling them that if they want to keep same sex marriage, they have to vote "yes" on Prop 8.
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KNOCK ON WOOD!!!!!!!

That said, I hope you're right. Just keep knocking on wood until Tuesday. I'm superstitious (it comes with being a baseball fan). I volunteered in VA this weekend, and it was amazing. I'm going to try and go back today and maybe help out on Tuesday as well. GObama!

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"Edit: Oh and in case you never noticed: "Obamanation" is a racial epithet."

Please explain this, Orincoro. As far as I can tell, it's merely shorthand for "Obama's presidency would be an abomination" - which, while I consider it a stupid idea regardless, could refer to his policies, his abilities, problems with the political process, etc. I don't really see how it necessarily ties into race (though that's one possible meaning among many).

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Is my calling McCain "McLame" somehow racist against white people too?

I dispise both of these asp-holes we have running for president. Race doesn't enter into it.

Of course... ANY criticism of BHO, even a silly pun of his name, is automatically racist. Right?

Lisa: I think that's less damaging than their arugment that prop 8 will some how protect kids from ever being exposed to gay people. That's swayed a lot of the stupid vote.

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quote:
Originally posted by The Pixiest:
Exactly Tesh. YOUR GUY is not always the one in power. (which is another reason to shrink the size of goverment. but that argument is lost on this current generation I think...)

I am very much in favor of a minimalist government, which is largely why I am NOT voting Republican. They can claim to be in favor of small government as much as they like but the numbers don't support them. Reagan, Bush, and Bush Jr. have had insane deficit spending the likes of which we'd never seen before.

Now, Democrats aren't a small government party but they don't claim to be and in reality, they seem to spend much less money than Republicans do. That is probably my #2 reason for voting Democrat this election. (#1 is energy/encironment)

If you can show me a better option for those of us in favor of small government, I'd love to hear about it! [Smile]

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P.S. I don't see why Obamination is a racist remark. It's clearly a play on his name. Granted, I strongly disagree with the sentiment because I think he will make a good president, but to each his own. [Smile]
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quote:
Originally posted by Lyrhawn:
Me neither.

I actually volunteered for Howard Dean in 2004.

Haha me too...
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Lisa
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quote:
Originally posted by Orincoro:
Edit: Oh and in case you never noticed: "Obamanation" is a racial epithet.

How on earth do you see it as racial? It's a portmanteau of Obama and abomination. Other than the fact that Obama is biracial, there's no race mentioned in it at all.

Edit: And honestly, Orincoro, if we had sigs on Hatrack, I think I'd starting using that quote as mine just because of how bizarre it is.

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Lisa
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quote:
Originally posted by The Pixiest:
Lisa: I think that's less damaging than their arugment that prop 8 will some how protect kids from ever being exposed to gay people. That's swayed a lot of the stupid vote.

Which is ultimately the main problem. The stupid vote is always the biggest percentage of any vote.
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Wait why would Obama be such a bad president? (I know some reasons but I would like to hear your view)
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If Obama wins, there will be no tears.

The Conservative Radioheads will celebrate. They have four years of secure jobs spewing easy hate on the president, instead of the more difficult job of spewing hate on those who hate President Bush. I mean, come on, that's way complicated for their target audience.

The rest of the conservatives will be too busy packing for their move out of the country to spend much time crying. Unfortunately for them, there are few places they can escape too. Running to Canada is out since its so far to the left of their beliefs they get whiplash just looking at it.

The moderates will be celebrating that the whole freaking mess is over.

The liberals...well, you just may have some tears here. Who are they going to throw their hate at? Move On Dot Org will either have to change its name, or its politics.

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quote:
Originally posted by luthe:
No I had never noticed, and I still fail to see how it it an racial anything.

A half-black, half-white, "Abomination." Not just a portmanteau of "Obama" and "Nation."

Like "paling around with terrorists," is specifically chosen over "associating yourself with a single (not plural) former radical leftist who blew up buildings and were not part of an islamic fascist movement"

The excuse lies in that there is an "Obama-nation" connection, but it makes absolutely no sense to use it as a pejorative and not acknowledge the similarity to "abomination," which means: "a thing that causes disgust or hatred," and carries both religious and racial overtones.

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quote:
Originally posted by Lisa:
quote:
Originally posted by Orincoro:
Edit: Oh and in case you never noticed: "Obamanation" is a racial epithet.

How on earth do you see it as racial? It's a portmanteau of Obama and abomination. Other than the fact that Obama is biracial, there's no race mentioned in it at all.

Edit: And honestly, Orincoro, if we had sigs on Hatrack, I think I'd starting using that quote as mine just because of how bizarre it is.

And yet my dictionary uses this sentence as its first example of the use of "abomination:" the Pharisees regarded Gentiles as an abomination to God
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quote:
Originally posted by The Pixiest:
Is my calling McCain "McLame" somehow racist against white people too?

I dispise both of these asp-holes we have running for president. Race doesn't enter into it.

Of course... ANY criticism of BHO, even a silly pun of his name, is automatically racist. Right?

The answers I would give here are no, and no. Since McLame is a play on McCain and McDonalds, the name calls to mind corporate buffoonery and greed, but is not particularly racially charged.

When you use Obama's name to empasize his "otherness," basically his outside status as a "real" American, then that is firstly an invalid criticism, and racially charged, yes. It goes along with people like you referring to him as BHM, which calls attention to the H which stands for Hussein. Or the lovely articles written about him which always, always refer to him by all three of his names, when that particular writer is not generally given to such formality (the Bushes hardly count because they need to be distinguished, so don't give me that lame ass answer).

Now, you are perfectly free to refer to him as BHM or the Obamanation, or Barack HUSSEIN Obama or simply Barack Hussein Obama, as the slightly more subtle do. However, I will not sit here and pretend that your choice of moniker is just "a silly nickname." A silly nickname for Barack might be "barry" or "big ears" or even "dumbo," given the size of his ears, and his hopeful disposition. The words you use are chosen for a reason, and if they copied from others, then those others have used them for their own reasons. I can't say what all those reasons are, but I can say with certainty what they do evoke in their uses. You, and all the conservatives, and really most of the liberals, and all the people who play these stupid little games with the way they talk, have plausible deniability. But I say the deniability you are really invoking is your own lack of judgment.

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Then your dictionary is preposterous. The word abomination is used dozens of times in the Hebrew Bible, before the Christian sequel was ever written. (That quote, by the way, is also an anti-semitic canard).

There is no racial overtone whatsoever to the word "abomination".

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quote:
It goes along with people like you referring to him as BHM, which calls attention to the H which stands for Hussein.
"People like" her?
Your slip is seriously showing, dude.

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quote:
Originally posted by Orincoro:
When you use Obama's name to empasize his "otherness," basically his outside status as a "real" American, then that is firstly an invalid criticism, and racially charged, yes.

That's nuts. You need to go and look up what "racial" means. Not in the dictionary that you used to derive a racial intent to "abomination", though. Toss that one in the trash.

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A silly nickname for Barack might be "barry"

You do realize that Barry is name he's gone by for most of his life, right? This is like claiming that "jimmy" is a "silly nickname" for James Earl Carter.

When homophobes call homosexuality an abomination, is it racial? When the Bible says that using non-standard weights and measures, or eating pork, or spreading gossip are abominations, is that racial? "Abomination" means something disgusting. The anti-semitic quote your dictionary used intends to claim that rabbinic Jews viewed non-Jews as disgusting. This was simply a case of falsely attributing racial motives to them. But even if it wasn't a lie, the existence of one case where abomination is used for another group doesn't make the word have a racial connotation.

I think you're looking for anything you can shoehorn into a racial meaning. I can't believe that you honestly think that's what the word means.

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BTW, "Barry" isn't a silly name for Barack Obama. It's the name he prefers to use. It's as silly as "Bill" Clinton.
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Unconvincing, Orincoro.

To qualify as a racial epithet it'd have to have some racist motivation AND connotation. It doesn't have the latter, and you haven't demonstrated the former.

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quote:
Originally posted by Orincoro:
quote:
Originally posted by luthe:
No I had never noticed, and I still fail to see how it it an racial anything.

A half-black, half-white, "Abomination." Not just a portmanteau of "Obama" and "Nation."
Where do you get the idea that the abomination part is his racial background?

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Originally posted by Orincoro:
The excuse lies in that there is an "Obama-nation" connection, but it makes absolutely no sense to use it as a pejorative and not acknowledge the similarity to "abomination," which means: "a thing that causes disgust or hatred," and carries both religious and racial overtones.

"Abomination" can be used in a religious or racial context but I've never actually thought of the word as having religious or racial overtones.

Tangent: Is there a difference between calling something an overtone versus calling it an undertone?

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quote:
Originally posted by TomDavidson:
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It goes along with people like you referring to him as BHM, which calls attention to the H which stands for Hussein.
"People like" her?
Your slip is seriously showing, dude.

The people being people who don't like him. Not lesbians- if that's what you were saying. I don't really know that much about pix beyond that.
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quote:
Originally posted by Lisa:
Then your dictionary is preposterous. The word abomination is used dozens of times in the Hebrew Bible, before the Christian sequel was ever written. (That quote, by the way, is also an anti-semitic canard).

There is no racial overtone whatsoever to the word "abomination".

It's the Oxford American Dictionary.

And I'd just love to see some proof of that claim. Course there is none.


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I think you're looking for anything you can shoehorn into a racial meaning. I can't believe that you honestly think that's what the word means.
Lisa, when you use the word "disgusting," it has no racial or religious overtones. When you say "biracial people are disgusting," it does. "Obamanation" is many things. I'm not going to sit here and spell out all the connections between criticism of Obama as an "abomination," linked with the word "nation." I'm not claiming that in all cases in perpetuity throughout the universe "abomination" is racially charged. What I am claiming however, is that people are using "Obamanation" as a racial epithet. I believe that. In this context specifically, abomination could be being used as a description for a mixing of "the other" with "the self." That's all contained within the picture of Obama himself as an "abomination," or a mix of black muslim and white christian heritage. I'm not going to claim it's a solidly defined meme- it isn't. But what it does, is attempt to establish the election of Obama as a sign of the destruction of our society.

Just stop and think if any such epithet could ever have been attached to Al Gore or Jon Kerry? The fact is that their names are a part of white christian American heritage, and Obama is a recent addition. People who use that term would love for you to sit back and picture that poster of the presidents on your schoolroom wall: Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama. They want to startle you with the newness and the suddenness of the change. By distorting the name and linking it to the new word, they call attention to your lack of experience with that name- that it symbolizes only one man, and is otherwise uncommon in our experience- that it is "un-American."

You don't have to believe it, but that's what I see in it.

[ November 02, 2008, 01:57 PM: Message edited by: Orincoro ]

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Orin: by "people like [me]" which do you mean?

Do you mean bisexuals, libertarians or bi-racial people?

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quote:
Originally posted by Orincoro:
quote:
Originally posted by Lisa:
Then your dictionary is preposterous. The word abomination is used dozens of times in the Hebrew Bible, before the Christian sequel was ever written. (That quote, by the way, is also an anti-semitic canard).

There is no racial overtone whatsoever to the word "abomination".

It's the Oxford American Dictionary.

And I'd just love to see some proof of that claim. Course there is none.

It's not her job to show that there isn't. It's your job to show that there is.
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quote:
Originally posted by The Pixiest:
Orin: by "people like [me]" which do you mean?

Do you mean bisexuals, libertarians or bi-racial people?

I meant people who use the word Obamanation, actually. I didn't know you were those other things.
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Before you fling racism acusations around, please be aware who you're flinging it at.
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Threads- I added my justification for my claim.

quote:

To qualify as a racial epithet it'd have to have some racist motivation AND connotation. It doesn't have the latter, and you haven't demonstrated the former.

It's a new word- its connotation is negative.
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quote:
Originally posted by The Pixiest:
Before you fling racism acusations around, please be aware who you're flinging it at.

To be clear, I am not calling you a racist. I am pointing out that the language you are using is racially charged. You are not immune from that, and the fact that I don't know (or care about) your ethnicity should be a positive.

I don't give a pass because you're biracial. You don't know my ethnicity (not with certainty).

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It is not racially charged except in that any criticism of BHO aka "The Obamanation" is racist.

Let it go. You're making an ass of yourself.

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Oh, nice. the "your embarassing yourself" play. Screw you and the horse you rode in on. I hope you puke with rage when the Obamanation is born.


And way to not address a single thing I said. That's admirable. I want to be a libertarian too, it seems easy.

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Threads- I added my justification for my claim.
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To qualify as a racial epithet it'd have to have some racist motivation AND connotation. It doesn't have the latter, and you haven't demonstrated the former.

It's a new word- its connotation is negative.
We know the connotation is negative. You have to establish that it is racist. It does not follow that it has a racial connotation because it has been used in racial contexts (I'm referring to "abomination" not "Obamanation"). I don't see how you can establish "abomination" as being a racially charged word without also implicitly including words like "stupid".
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Originally posted by Orincoro:
Threads- I added my justification for my claim.
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To qualify as a racial epithet it'd have to have some racist motivation AND connotation. It doesn't have the latter, and you haven't demonstrated the former.

It's a new word- its connotation is negative.
We know the connotation is negative. You have to establish that it is racist. It does not follow that it has a racial connotation because it has been used in racial contexts (I'm referring to "abomination" not "Obamanation"). I don't see how you can establish "abomination" as being a racially charged word without also implicitly including words like "stupid".
The connotation of a word depends on the context of its use. Abomination can be used with a negative and racial connotation. I'm not out to prove that this is always the case. It isn't always the case.
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Why do you think that "Obamanation" specifically refers to Obama's mixed racial background?
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I'm much more upset that prop 8 will pass than the obamanation will be president.

The way I figure it, if he's as bad as I think, he'll be gone in four years and we can get back to our lives. If he's worse, he'll get impeached. If he's not as bad, well hey, I'm happy to be wrong. Besides, McLame is pretty much a democrat himself. At least this way, it won't be the guy I voted for bringing socialism to every aspect of our lives.

Prop 8 is going to be around for a long time and it's going to take a lot of effort and money to get rid of.

"Whats bad about him" is simply wishing to do policies that contradict your libertarian beliefs? Which US politics have been bulldozing over, and purging with fire and salt for decades? Under what alternate reality you live in could this possible lead to him being impeached? If GWB did not get impeached for his incompetence and tearing apart civil liberties, and Clinton didn't get impeached for getting a BJ in the Oval Office and Nixon could have possibly have gotten scott free then how in any REASONABLE universe could Obama possibly get impeached for doing any of the things he and the Democratic party currently wish to do?

Your move.

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Oh, Blayne. You tickle me in all the best ways.
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I am posting in this high quality thread.
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That makes you high quality!

Welcome to the High quality club Samprimary!

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