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Tammy
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[Smile]

I'm really looking forward to this, the movie, not the actual event. On second thought, maybe I am looking forward to the actual event. Hmmm!

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I know exactly what is going to happen in 2012...


...a bunch of people will have to come up with a new year that the world is going to end.

My bet is that they choose 2020. Nice and round. And I always thought the apocalypse would be brought on by Barbara Walters.

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What about the solar maximum Javert?
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New Years Eve 2012 will be crazy. Gives us a good reason to party harder!
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Javert
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T:man,

What about it? The last one was in 1958. And last I checked, the world didn't end when my father was 3.

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The last solar maximum was in 2001.

1958 was the strongest recent one, but it wasn't the last one. Maximums occur with every 11 year solar cycle, so the next one will be in 2012 and it is expected to be the strongest since 1958.

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Unless there was someone around who could summit Everest in about 34 seconds I think that Monk was wasting his time. And even then they'd probably still have some trouble with the bends.

Hobbes [Smile]

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quote:
google 2012
Does this directive disturb anyone else besides me?
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quote:
Originally posted by Javert:
T:man,

What about it? The last one was in 1958. And last I checked, the world didn't end when my father was 3.

The way we run electricity over land can be easily disrupted by solar activity [Razz]
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But the world can't end in 2012, darn it!
It's the London Olympics that year, and we haven't held the Games since 1948!
I was quite looking forward to it.
What do you mean, you've got to build bypasses?
[/Arthur Dent]

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Wow. that trailer has the creepiest sounds I've heard in a while...
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Lyrhawn
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quote:
Originally posted by T:man:
quote:
Originally posted by Javert:
T:man,

What about it? The last one was in 1958. And last I checked, the world didn't end when my father was 3.

The way we run electricity over land can be easily disrupted by solar activity [Razz]
Less so now than before. We've made adjustments and upgrades since then, so the power grid is less vulnerable, and would be even less vulnerable if we had a newer smart grid.

But satellites are still in trouble.

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quote:
Originally posted by Bella Bee:
But the world can't end in 2012, darn it!
It's the London Olympics that year, and we haven't held the Games since 1948!
I was quite looking forward to it.
What do you mean, you've got to build bypasses?
[/Arthur Dent]

Well then, we'd just better make sure the world ends in the fall.
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The specific date of the end of the world is 12/21/2012, the the Olympics will be ok.
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Nighthawk
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At least I don't have to buy Christmas gifts. Couldn't it be three months earlier so I can avoid an anniversary? Oh well... Can't win them all.
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Given that the world didn't begin on the day the Mayans started their calendar, it's not going to end on that day either.

Sorry.

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quote:
Originally posted by Sean Monahan:
The specific date of the end of the world is 12/21/2012, the the Olympics will be ok.

It would be much more poetic if it ended one day earlier 20/12/2012 (using the day/month/year convention used everywhere but the USA).
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Lyrhawn
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Just saw this movie.

Loved it.

Absolutely hilarious orgy of destruction.

Will absolutely buy when it reaches some sort of discount price.

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Pfh. If you want a real apocalypse movie, watch The Road.
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I though it was boring pap, punctuated with disaster porno. But that's just me.
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Love that we finally decided to find a way to take advantage of stupid people who actually buy into the end of days crap.

Next we need a new sort of Left Behind movie with a twist that it was actually an elaborate fraud, my money is on Dan Brown.

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Left Behind was an elaboarate fraud.
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It was a fun movie, but only with a heroic effort on my part towards suspension of disbelief. And I'm not talking about the action sequences, either-I'm talking about the ethical and moral decisions made in the film.

SPOILER


"Hey, leaders of what remains of the planet, we've got literally <15m left until the end of the world, but we need to open up these gigantic doors letting all these other people in and putting all of our last-hope-of-humanity's-ships into incredible peril because if we don't, then we're mean, and if we're mean, then we might as well all die instead of carrying on humanity's tradition. Sure, yeah, I know we've already left billions of people behind to die - even some of our friends, even the guy who discovered this whole mess in the first place - but if we let these people die, well that's just too awful to contemplate. Open the gigantic doors, and let these hundreds of thousands of people run into these giant boats in under 15m!"

I could go along with it when the limo-driver/writer and his family were pulling stuff like that. After all, he's a desperate man with his family to look out for. What does he care who else is risked if his son and daughter are saved? But the lead scientist who's been neck-deep in preparations for years, much less all the leaders of the remaining world? I also didn't like the stance the film took like it was the right thing to do, either. It was incredibly stupid, dangerous, and frankly selfish.

SPOILER

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Fear the neutrinos!
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Oh there was a lot of ridiculous stuff in it. I might not have understood how goofy the neutrino thing was, but my astronomy class from two semesters ago at least give me some hints as to the preposterousness of planetary alignment + neutrinos = planet core melting.

Add to that I agree with Rakeesh. That was absolutely ridiculous. I know Chiwetel's character was having moral issues throughout the movie, but come on, that was the last time to do it. Maybe Oliver Platt was being a megalomaniacal jerk about the whole thing, but he certainly had the right idea when it comes to sacrifice for the sake of preserving humanity.

Also, literally taking two of each animal with them was pretty silly too. Any geneticist or biologist would tell you that trying to repopulate the entire species from one base pair would lead to genetic diseases from inbreeding that would eventually destroy the species anyway. Unless they grabbed a bunch of geneticists with them fir the expressed purpose of weeding out those diseases, then it was a huge waste of space that would have been better spent on increasing the genetic diversity of what was left of humanity.

Seriously, the reason why I liked it so much though was the hilarious nature of how ridiculous so much of it was. Almost every time John Cusack was behind the wheel of a car, he was driving through such ridiculous circumstances, I was laughing pretty loudly throughout. That's part of why I loved it so much though. They did EVERY disaster movie cliche, except trying to undo the damage, which was pretty undo-able here.

I liked it, not despite its ridiculous premise and execution, but because of it. [Smile]

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Vote for Sarah Palin in 2012. She'll save us from the Aztecs.
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quote:
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Vote for Sarah Palin in 2012. She'll save us from the Aztecs.

Vote for Sarah Palin in 2012. She'll take out the Aztecs, then resign in 2013.
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quote:

Add to that I agree with Rakeesh. That was absolutely ridiculous. I know Chiwetel's character was having moral issues throughout the movie, but come on, that was the last time to do it. Maybe Oliver Platt was being a megalomaniacal jerk about the whole thing, but he certainly had the right idea when it comes to sacrifice for the sake of preserving humanity.

The funny thing is, though, that I'm not even sure some serious ego wasn't what was called for in that situation anyway, so long as it was coupled with some hefty caution as well. Remember, nobody else had a problem with it except the two craziest bleeding hearts anybody anywhere's ever heard of.
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Edited to add: This contains lots of spoilers. If you don't like spoilers, you're taking a big risk to be in this thread already.

Wow. That movie was utter crap! I did like a few things. The disaster porno, as designated above, was great--way over the top and pretty fun to watch. The storyline with John Cusack was good, and I liked the Indian scientist who didn't make it.

But the rest of the movie? Ugh. Danny Glover does not make a good president. He was not even remotely believable. Oh, you should have had a lottery? Ya think??? I found his sacrifice at the end to be pointless. Did you give your seat to someone else, Mr. President??? No? Yeah. So it was pointless to go down with the country.

I'm surprised that you all had a problem with saving the people on the outside of the arks at the end, but did you not even blink an eye at the disgusting way that people got seats in the first place? Oh yes. Let's save elitist and rich asses. Lord knows we won't be able to do without them in the new world. At least the bleeding heart was trying to do something, finally, to save a few more people.

Oliver Platt's character was despicable, and not just at the end. There was just very little to like about any of the people in charge or the completely stupid way they dealt with this crisis. They didn't even have much forethought. The President tells ScientistGuy to go to the Ark because one scientist is worth 10 old politicians. Well, YEAH! So why fill the boats with a bunch of politicians and rich people? Oh, they chose the other people based on genetics and they saved some art. Big deal! What about saving people who are experts in their fields? (I suppose we're just supposed to assume that of course they did that. Right.)

I find it sad that a movie like Deep Impact actually dealt with these issues better than 2012, which is supposed to be so epic. I found it so dissatisfying. It's not even that I expected things to go exactly was I wanted them to, but the movie didn't show any sort of debate over what they should do. The countries lacked any sort of wise leadership, and the leadership lacked any sort of wise council. Maybe that made it a little too realistic. But I didn't like how we were just supposed to accept that people could buy their way onto the ships. Oh, how else are we going to pay for them??? Yeah. Whatever. I don't buy that either.

The graphics were stunning, and the leads (as in John Cusack, his family, and the scientists) were likable. I suppose we're supposed to ignore the rest of the movie and how crappy it was.

[ December 21, 2009, 04:10 PM: Message edited by: Katarain ]

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I don't know why anyone expected this movie to be anything than utter drek.

I mean, it's directed by Roland Emmerich... the mastermind behind such drivel as Independence Day, Godzilla, the Day After Tomorrow, and 10,000 BC. The movie was doomed from the start.

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quote:
Originally posted by Rakeesh:
It was a fun movie, but only with a heroic effort on my part towards suspension of disbelief. And I'm not talking about the action sequences, either-I'm talking about the ethical and moral decisions made in the film.

SPOILER


"Hey, leaders of what remains of the planet, we've got literally <15m left until the end of the world, but we need to open up these gigantic doors letting all these other people in and putting all of our last-hope-of-humanity's-ships into incredible peril because if we don't, then we're mean, and if we're mean, then we might as well all die instead of carrying on humanity's tradition. Sure, yeah, I know we've already left billions of people behind to die - even some of our friends, even the guy who discovered this whole mess in the first place - but if we let these people die, well that's just too awful to contemplate. Open the gigantic doors, and let these hundreds of thousands of people run into these giant boats in under 15m!"

I agree. They tried very hard to make Anheuser seem evil for not wanting to tell people about the impending doom and leaving people off the ark but, given the circumstances, I think he was acting reasonable.

The neutrino bit at the start of the movie was breathtakingly dumb but I didn't expect good physics anyways. I ended up enjoying the movie because while the characters were not particularly deep, I cared about them enough to stay captivated.

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Ron Lambert
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Flying Cow, Independence Day was pretty good.

Rakeesh, that sounds a lot like the scenario in the 1951 movie, When Worlds Collide, where they had a mob trying to break in and stop the space ship "ark."

Maybe the neutrinos were supposed to have something to do with the creation of a "Higgs" field (consisting of Higgs bosons, a.k.a. "God" particles) that a recent rather poor sf movie on the SyFy channel suggested could turn the earth into a black hole.

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