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Now is the time when everyone pledges a sort of brotherly "hey hang in there Mark" to him while at the same time lambasting him behind closed doors to put as much distance between themselves and him as possible. Sanford is politically radioactive right now, and we're about three months away from midterm election races really heating up.
This won't cost the Republicans anything more than some general brand tarnishing in an area where they're already woefully weak, and one less hat in the ring for presidential contenders. Four guys and one woman all just let out a tiny little breath of relief.
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quote:Originally posted by andi330: I'm actually really tired of hearing about these sorts of things. I haven't read (or watched) all of the coverage, but unless it turns out that he was spending our taxes (yep, I'm an SC resident) to fly down there and see her I don't care.
There are probably millions of men and women around the world having extra-marital affairs right this second. Why should I care about this one guy and his one affair? Seriously, aside from the fact that he's the governor what makes him so different from everyone else?
Well, it would have been nice to those other folks whose salaries are paid with your tax dollars were informed the governor was taking a few personal days.
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quote:Originally posted by andi330: I'm actually really tired of hearing about these sorts of things. I haven't read (or watched) all of the coverage, but unless it turns out that he was spending our taxes (yep, I'm an SC resident) to fly down there and see her I don't care.
There are probably millions of men and women around the world having extra-marital affairs right this second. Why should I care about this one guy and his one affair? Seriously, aside from the fact that he's the governor what makes him so different from everyone else?
Well, it would have been nice to those other folks whose salaries are paid with your tax dollars were informed the governor was taking a few personal days.
It sure doesn't seem like it was that big of a deal. I mean, I live here and I didn't even know he was "missing" until today. I just googled looking for articles, and the earliest I can find was the 22 by which point he'd been in touch. Granted, he wasn't hiking the Appalachian Trail as his office claimed, but if the first we here about him being "missing" is after he's "found" then I'm not going to be too fussed about it. Apparently, it's not the first time it's happened (which makes sense considering his revelations of today) and nobody's ever made a big deal over it before. Most of the state probably would never have known he was missing if he hadn't made his big announcement today.
And yeah, I love how it was soooo important that he be here because of the turmoil in Iraq. I mean, we're such a major target down here and all.
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Basically you're saying "Well, I'm sure apathetic about this, I'm pretty apathetic about the whole thing in general. So if I can't be arsed to care, why is this news?"
Ok, simple answer: most citizens of that state (and indeed of the union) are not apathetic about a jetsetting public scandal involving their governor going on a taxpayer-cash funded offshore trip to a mistress over father's day while the state is left essentially rudderless and the governor drops out of contact near-entirely, even to the lt. gov.
quote:I just googled looking for articles, and the earliest I can find was the 22 by which point he'd been in touch. Granted, he wasn't hiking the Appalachian Trail as his office claimed, but if the first we here about him being "missing" is after he's "found" then I'm not going to be too fussed about it.
Now, this is interesting for two reasons. The original post alone is articles about Where The Heck Is This Guy phase in transition to everything else.
The second is that in about ten seconds of news.google.com searching I found plenty of articles predating your Can't Be Fussed dateline.
quote:And yeah, I love how it was soooo important that he be here because of the turmoil in Iraq. I mean, we're such a major target down here and all.
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quote:Originally posted by andi330: I'm actually really tired of hearing about these sorts of things. I haven't read (or watched) all of the coverage, but unless it turns out that he was spending our taxes (yep, I'm an SC resident) to fly down there and see her I don't care.
There are probably millions of men and women around the world having extra-marital affairs right this second. Why should I care about this one guy and his one affair? Seriously, aside from the fact that he's the governor what makes him so different from everyone else?
Well, it would have been nice to those other folks whose salaries are paid with your tax dollars were informed the governor was taking a few personal days.
It sure doesn't seem like it was that big of a deal. I mean, I live here and I didn't even know he was "missing" until today. I just googled looking for articles, and the earliest I can find was the 22 by which point he'd been in touch. Granted, he wasn't hiking the Appalachian Trail as his office claimed, but if the first we here about him being "missing" is after he's "found" then I'm not going to be too fussed about it. Apparently, it's not the first time it's happened (which makes sense considering his revelations of today) and nobody's ever made a big deal over it before. Most of the state probably would never have known he was missing if he hadn't made his big announcement today.
And yeah, I love how it was soooo important that he be here because of the turmoil in Iraq. I mean, we're such a major target down here and all.
Wait, so dereliction of duty is OK for a public servant as long as you aren't spending taxpayer dollars (let's leave aside for now the fact that Sanford *was* taking advantage of taxpayer-funded trips to Argentina for his little trysts)?
Also, I'm not sure where you're getting this idea that the Iranian turmoil has anything to do with the furor over Sanford. Everything I've read indicates that the outrage in SC is about two things: (1) the "leaving the state leaderless without appointing an interim governor" thing and (2) the sleazebag factor. Nobody is under any illusions that Sanford was some crucial figure in negotiations with Iran, or that Iran was about to drop a bomb on Columbia.
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James T Kirk, you beat me to it. As soon as I saw this thread I wanted to post that.
Sigh. To think people actually depend on FOX for their news
In all honesty, I don't think this detracts from his ability to "govern". I never understood why people got so worked up over the affairs of politicians, anymore so then paparazzi or Entertainment Tonight. It's absolutely none of my business. And I don't particularly even like the guy.
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I don't think the affair detracts from his ability, but I do think the five-day dissapearance and the willingness to mislead about it does.
On a completely personal none-of-my-business level, I think Spitzer and Edwards' tactic of buying a hooker for the first and throwing the other woman and your child with her under a bus for the second are both worse than this, although I'd be out of there if I was married to any of them.
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quote:Originally posted by andi330: I'm actually really tired of hearing about these sorts of things. I haven't read (or watched) all of the coverage, but unless it turns out that he was spending our taxes (yep, I'm an SC resident) to fly down there and see her I don't care.
There are probably millions of men and women around the world having extra-marital affairs right this second. Why should I care about this one guy and his one affair? Seriously, aside from the fact that he's the governor what makes him so different from everyone else?
Well, it would have been nice to those other folks whose salaries are paid with your tax dollars were informed the governor was taking a few personal days.
It sure doesn't seem like it was that big of a deal. I mean, I live here and I didn't even know he was "missing" until today. I just googled looking for articles, and the earliest I can find was the 22 by which point he'd been in touch. Granted, he wasn't hiking the Appalachian Trail as his office claimed, but if the first we here about him being "missing" is after he's "found" then I'm not going to be too fussed about it. Apparently, it's not the first time it's happened (which makes sense considering his revelations of today) and nobody's ever made a big deal over it before. Most of the state probably would never have known he was missing if he hadn't made his big announcement today.
And yeah, I love how it was soooo important that he be here because of the turmoil in Iraq. I mean, we're such a major target down here and all.
Wait, so dereliction of duty is OK for a public servant as long as you aren't spending taxpayer dollars (let's leave aside for now the fact that Sanford *was* taking advantage of taxpayer-funded trips to Argentina for his little trysts)?
Also, I'm not sure where you're getting this idea that the Iranian turmoil has anything to do with the furor over Sanford. Everything I've read indicates that the outrage in SC is about two things: (1) the "leaving the state leaderless without appointing an interim governor" thing and (2) the sleazebag factor. Nobody is under any illusions that Sanford was some crucial figure in negotiations with Iran, or that Iran was about to drop a bomb on Columbia.
Nope, what I'm saying is that there's not really anything I can do about it. Sure, I could be all upset and offended. But I can't be bothered about it. Why? Because as of right now, there's nothing that I can do about it, and being offended or not isn't going to change that.
Regarding his disappearance, he'll either be impeached for neglecting his duty or not. That's up to the legislature and how the "gross misconduct" statute applies to him (if it does, at least one member of the legislature, a democrat btw, has stated that this doesn't qualify). My being offended about his affair or even upset about him disappearing for 5 days isn't going to change what the legislature decides to do about his disappearance.
And as to the affair? I really don't care. As I said in my original post, there are millions of people, both male and female, currently involved in some kind of illicit something. I don't have to watch them cry about it on TV, and I'd prefer not to watch politicians cry over it either. Does this mean that I think that it's ok to break marriage vows and cheat on your spouse? No, but my opinion that it's wrong isn't going to change what he's already done, and it's not likely to change his future behavior either.
Will I vote for him if he doesn't get impeached and runs for re-election? No. But then, I didn't vote for him this time either.
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The Web-comic Something*Positive has a nice idea, but flawed delivery.
They created a Bingo Card for what politicians say when apologizing for adultery.
Unfortunately they went overboard with the language, so I won't post a link (not family friendly), but I am sure it can be rewritten and My Bad Ba-Bing-ho Cards can be created for us all.
I am also curious what part the Lt. Governor had in revealing this tryst. Its a cheaper way to get to be governor than doing that whole election thing.
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Initially, I was thinking that there was a contender for the GOP Presidential slot in 2012 who was behind the string of "family values" Republic aspirants cheating on their wives, but, taking a wider look, I think what is going on is quite clear.
Because it's not just people looking to run for President in 2012. The common thread so far is that they all lambasted Bill Clinton over his affair. And, isn't it curious how we haven't heard all that much out of ex-President Clinton for a while?
My theory - speculation of which I expect to be reported as a top story on Fox News any day now - is that he is behind a secret conspiracy of revenge to bring down all of his detractors with the same sort of scandal that they used against him.
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Aha--Clinton, with his army of delicious fem-bots, is reeking havoc on the Family Value Conservative Coalition.
Only a few stalwart Republican Real men are able to stand up to the wicked sexuality of these Democrat-controlled, recently reworked Obama-bots. They do not flinch in the face of cleavage, South American Beach Bikini's, or their seductive call of "Your pastor will forgive you as long as you vote against Gay Marriage."
Luckily for President Bill Clinton, most of those strong Republican real men then did fall to the allure of the "Page-boy-bot Rock McFeely".
"I was hypnotized." claimed Senator I Dinna Doit of East Virginia. "Clinton used secret CIA Enhanced Interrogation Hypnotism to force me into this compromising position. I mean look at Rock's eyes. How could you not be hypnotized by their deep emerald green. I could go skinny-dipping in those eyes....I mean, I's was hypnotized by rays coming out of those cold robotic eyes."
Governor Tad Flatulent of some southern state we won't admit to knowing said, "Of course it was a Democratic Fem-bot that made seduced me away from my wife. It had to be a plot. How else do you think I'll get a woman?
Yeah, I can see Fox running that story soon.
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But...but...why would President Clinton be sabbotaging Democratic governors. Surely you have noticed that all the politicians have a "(D)" after their name during their horrible press conferences?
Maybe clearing the field for a Hillary run in 2012?
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quote:Originally posted by andi330: Nope, what I'm saying is that there's not really anything I can do about it. Sure, I could be all upset and offended. But I can't be bothered about it. Why? Because as of right now, there's nothing that I can do about it, and being offended or not isn't going to change that.
Regarding his disappearance, he'll either be impeached for neglecting his duty or not. That's up to the legislature and how the "gross misconduct" statute applies to him (if it does, at least one member of the legislature, a democrat btw, has stated that this doesn't qualify). My being offended about his affair or even upset about him disappearing for 5 days isn't going to change what the legislature decides to do about his disappearance.
And as to the affair? I really don't care. As I said in my original post, there are millions of people, both male and female, currently involved in some kind of illicit something. I don't have to watch them cry about it on TV, and I'd prefer not to watch politicians cry over it either. Does this mean that I think that it's ok to break marriage vows and cheat on your spouse? No, but my opinion that it's wrong isn't going to change what he's already done, and it's not likely to change his future behavior either.
Will I vote for him if he doesn't get impeached and runs for re-election? No. But then, I didn't vote for him this time either.
So, help me get this straight: the only apparent degree to which you care is to make sure to broadcast to others exactly how much you don't care and/or complain about how other people or the news seems to be informing people about it?
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quote:Originally posted by kmbboots: But...but...why would President Clinton be sabbotaging Democratic governors. Surely you have noticed that all the politicians have a "(D)" after their name during their horrible press conferences?
Because they didn't back him up during Monicagate?
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quote:Originally posted by andi330: Nope, what I'm saying is that there's not really anything I can do about it. Sure, I could be all upset and offended. But I can't be bothered about it. Why? Because as of right now, there's nothing that I can do about it, and being offended or not isn't going to change that.
Regarding his disappearance, he'll either be impeached for neglecting his duty or not. That's up to the legislature and how the "gross misconduct" statute applies to him (if it does, at least one member of the legislature, a democrat btw, has stated that this doesn't qualify). My being offended about his affair or even upset about him disappearing for 5 days isn't going to change what the legislature decides to do about his disappearance.
And as to the affair? I really don't care. As I said in my original post, there are millions of people, both male and female, currently involved in some kind of illicit something. I don't have to watch them cry about it on TV, and I'd prefer not to watch politicians cry over it either. Does this mean that I think that it's ok to break marriage vows and cheat on your spouse? No, but my opinion that it's wrong isn't going to change what he's already done, and it's not likely to change his future behavior either.
Will I vote for him if he doesn't get impeached and runs for re-election? No. But then, I didn't vote for him this time either.
So, help me get this straight: the only apparent degree to which you care is to make sure to broadcast to others exactly how much you don't care and/or complain about how other people or the news seems to be informing people about it?
I actually didn't intend on commenting past the first post. But I did check back in the thread and noticed that someone responded, and therefore (so that I wouldn't accused of immaturity or whatever, something that has happened to me before here) I responded to their post. And now, to prove the I really actually don't care and wish I hadn't posted as much as I did, you won't see me post in here in the future.
Go ahead someone (this is not directed at any particular individual) tell me how immature it is to just leave a conversation to prove a point. I DARE you.
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Ha ha ha. I will actually do you one better.
quote:Originally posted by andi330: unless it turns out that he was spending our taxes (yep, I'm an SC resident) to fly down there and see her I don't care.
quote:Originally posted by katharina: I'm just glad his wife wasn't there with him. I can only imagine the towering rage I would be in in her place right now.
Yeah. I just read through the transcript.
It's clear he has very deep feelings for the woman his is now involved with. But what a jerk!
(I also read the text of the alleged emails - if they are real, I feel much much sorrier for his wife. Who knows the truth of their marriage, but having this out there - well, it's hideous. And they've got 4 kids. Just horrible.)
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rivka: you might have just been doing deadpan, but the joke was because this was the second time Fox has identified a Republican having a scandal as a Democrat in their graphics.
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I'm one to always be skeptical of conspiracy theories, and I am hesitant to attribute to malice what can instead by attributed to stupidity, but TWICE?
quote:Originally posted by Xavier: I'm one to always be skeptical of conspiracy theories, and I am hesitant to attribute to malice what can instead by attributed to stupidity, but TWICE?
Twice?
Fox does it more often then that. Three times with Republicans under ethical scandals. And a few more errors in there too.
quote:Originally posted by fugu13: rivka: you might have just been doing deadpan
Note to self: Always add the !
quote:Originally posted by fugu13: but the joke was because this was the second time Fox has identified a Republican having a scandal as a Democrat in their graphics.
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I really think that his lack of responsibility for his office and his state is far more telling of his lack of character than the affair. I'm solidly disappointed in the man. A week ago I would of pegged him to be side by side with Palin in 2012. He had made quite a star of himself opposing all that damned spending, but I guess he just didn't understand the concept of responsibility. Or perhaps a beautiful Latin lady wisked the concept away. From what I've heard they do really care about each other, although I think that the parade of their private and intensely personal emails across the media is a bit shameful.
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Palin is a horrible choice for President or Vice President or anywhere near the Executive branch. Doncha know?
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So Governor Sanford is a true man of principle. He truly believes that not one more cent of the deficit should be spent on causes like fixing the vastly underfunded state education system. Its much more important that we don't burden our children with an enormous deficit in the future....now spending it on trips to Argentina for a little slap and tickle, well that's another matter entirely.
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quote:Originally posted by aspectre: Family values.
The excerpt was kinda boring TBQH. How on earth does David Coe propose that one identifies who God has chosen? Seems suspiciously identical to vox populi vox dei, except he simply says it isn't.
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quote:How on earth does David Coe propose that one identifies who God has chosen?
What he was talking about is an extreme form of a very popular Christian belief. I don't know the exact method he decides this*, but there are several established ways.
* I'd guess it's people in power who hold a similar view of Christianity or of needing to submit to God's will.
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This "Family" is why I find fundamental Christianity scarey.
I am not afraid of people of faith, of the good Christians out there seeking to enlighten the world.
But these folks have an antiquated "God chose us and made us wealthy and powerful to take his message to the people. So we can do what ever we wish, as long as we do it in his name. We can do no wrong as long as we are the chosen."
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Thankfully, most Christians are going to look at the family with as much if not more distaste than those not being ostensibly 'represented' and led by them.
It just sounds like a cult dedicated to plutocratic megalomaniacs who wish to use god as a crude foil to excuse their behavior to themselves.
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quote:Owned by a foundation affiliated with the Family, C Street is officially registered as a church; in practice, it serves as a meeting place and residence for politicians like South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford, Nevada Sen. John Ensign and Oklahoma Sen. Tom Coburn.
So far as I remember, two out of three of those mentioned are not at the top of their game these days.
quote:The Family was founded in 1935 by a minister named Abraham Vereide after, he claimed, he had a vision in which God came to him in the person of the head of the United States Steel Corporation.
And following God's personal expression of concern, FDR and Truman remained in power for the next 17 years. God was perhaps ineffectual?
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$12,000 for one trip to China? I could do alot with 12,000. I've always felt "public servants" ought to fly economy, unless they want to shell money out of their own salary for business/first class.
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I believe there's a psychology term for someone who speaks out against the very behaviors he indulges in - oh yeah, a sleazeball Posts: 349 | Registered: Jul 2006
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I'm wondering, does it make sense to include posts with "195" in my master plan, or would that be silly? (Not to be confused with the grim seriousness of my primary master plan)
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