It seemed to me that Hatrack had always been home to three types of people: the intelligensia who were generally interested in discussion, the people who were interested in advice or research or OSC (often flow-overs from the Writers Workshop), and people who'd read about Locke and Demosthenes and decided to subject the rest of us to their (often questionable) brilliance.
The third type always left me a little unsettled, and I had to actively withdraw from many inflammatory threads that went "off the rails" (as I've noticed, so did many others). But this group of people have either dwindled considerably, or people's attitudes might be changing. I still stay away from the religion threads, but many of the other threads are much more mellow as well.
Is the mood a heckuva lot better lately? Or am I just having a good day? Posts: 688 | Registered: Nov 2008
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I know what you mean, ever since JanitorBlade laid down a little law shortly after appointment everything has been very happy. I think we may actually be rid of the true CliveCandy, the trolling is at an absolute minimal.
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Heh. I think it's actually charming that there are people here who think of Clive as a particularly bad troll.
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quote:Originally posted by AchillesHeel: I know what you mean, ever since JanitorBlade laid down a little law shortly after appointment everything has been very happy. I think we may actually be rid of the true CliveCandy, the trolling is at an absolute minimal.
Actually, no. He still posts here as Sa'eed. But he seems to have learned some restraint.
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I haven't been posting here that long, but I have lurked for years.
Overall it's a nice place, except for a dozen or so people I like to think of as THE GAUNTLET OF NUDNIKS. This group corresponds to Herblay's 3rd type. They derail threads, drag most discussions down, personalize everything, and in general make the place less pleasant. And I imagine that most of them are convinced that people are reading their comments with rapt admiration for their cleverness.
They're easy enough to avoid though. I take most of my politics elsewhere, and try to word comments on religious topics very carefully.
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This place is doing good right now in large part because the people who need it have had their leashes tightened and shortened appropriately. It prevents a small handful of problem posters from being free to continually devolve any subject they decide to involve themselves into acrimoniously.
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quote:Originally posted by SoaPiNuReYe: Just wait for the next bit of controversy to come around.
There's always controversy. In the most recent case, things were handled differently. I can be optimistic and expect the trend to continue.
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quote:Originally posted by Samprimary: It prevents a small handful of problem posters from being free to continually devolve any subject they decide to involve themselves into acrimoniously.
Interesting how Hatrack acts as a microcosm of the nation as a whole.
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quote:Originally posted by Samprimary: It prevents a small handful of problem posters from being free to continually devolve any subject they decide to involve themselves into acrimoniously.
Interesting how Hatrack acts as a microcosm of the nation as a whole.
None of us think the problem is us. That's a good description of the nation. Posts: 5957 | Registered: Oct 2001
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quote:Originally posted by AchillesHeel: I know what you mean, ever since JanitorBlade laid down a little law shortly after appointment everything has been very happy. I think we may actually be rid of the true CliveCandy, the trolling is at an absolute minimal.
Actually, no. He still posts here as Sa'eed. But he seems to have learned some restraint.
The background is that Lisa threatened me with revealing my personal information.
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quote:Originally posted by AchillesHeel: I know what you mean, ever since JanitorBlade laid down a little law shortly after appointment everything has been very happy. I think we may actually be rid of the true CliveCandy, the trolling is at an absolute minimal.
Actually, no. He still posts here as Sa'eed. But he seems to have learned some restraint.
The background is that Lisa threatened me with revealing my personal information.
I certainly hope that's not the only reason you've been posting quite decently as of late.
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quote:Originally posted by AchillesHeel: I know what you mean, ever since JanitorBlade laid down a little law shortly after appointment everything has been very happy. I think we may actually be rid of the true CliveCandy, the trolling is at an absolute minimal.
Actually, no. He still posts here as Sa'eed. But he seems to have learned some restraint.
The background is that Lisa threatened me with revealing my personal information.
I certainly hope that's not the only reason you've been posting quite decently as of late.
School started.
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quote:Originally posted by AchillesHeel: I know what you mean, ever since JanitorBlade laid down a little law shortly after appointment everything has been very happy. I think we may actually be rid of the true CliveCandy, the trolling is at an absolute minimal.
Actually, no. He still posts here as Sa'eed. But he seems to have learned some restraint.
The background is that Lisa threatened me with revealing my personal information.
Wow, I'm glad I missed that.
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quote:Originally posted by AchillesHeel: I know what you mean, ever since JanitorBlade laid down a little law shortly after appointment everything has been very happy. I think we may actually be rid of the true CliveCandy, the trolling is at an absolute minimal.
Actually, no. He still posts here as Sa'eed. But he seems to have learned some restraint.
The background is that Lisa threatened me with revealing my personal information.
I certainly hope that's not the only reason you've been posting quite decently as of late.
School started.
God forbid you had actually gotten more mature, or realized that your style of communication is counter-productive..... Posts: 15082 | Registered: Jul 2001
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quote:Originally posted by AchillesHeel: I know what you mean, ever since JanitorBlade laid down a little law shortly after appointment everything has been very happy. I think we may actually be rid of the true CliveCandy, the trolling is at an absolute minimal.
Actually, no. He still posts here as Sa'eed. But he seems to have learned some restraint.
The background is that Lisa threatened me with revealing my personal information.
I certainly hope that's not the only reason you've been posting quite decently as of late.
Whatever works, I'd think.
Anyway, he posted a link to his blog here on Hatrack. I can't help it that his blog gave person information about him. I was actually kind of shocked that JB deleted what I posted, when none of it was stuff that he hadn't posted a link to himself.
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I missed the circumstances of that, but I do know my opinion on posting someone's personal info.
If someone has posted personal info for obvious distribution -- a phone number with a clear "contact me" message for example -- then spread it around in that context all you like.
If someone has posted personal info as part of their website, more or less as part of their resume or "about me" or whatever, then I would be OK linking to their site but I would not repost the info myself.
If someone's personal info is pulled from public records, even though that information is freely available to anyone who goes to look, I would not post it publicly without permission.
An example: the outing of the people supporting Prop 8 in California was wrong, in my opinion, even though I flatly opposed the amendment. I would have no problem exposing the involvement of corporations or other organizations, and I would have no problem with using that info to produce aggregate info (this percentage of Mormons, this number of people in Sausalito, etc), but posting names and addresses, even though it would be legal to do so, was, to me, unethical in the extreme.
Posting someone's info is a call to arms. There is absolutely no reason to do so unless you are hinting (or openly stating) that people should use that info to confront the individual in question.
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quote:Originally posted by Chris Bridges: I missed the circumstances of that, but I do know my opinion on posting someone's personal info.
If someone has posted personal info for obvious distribution -- a phone number with a clear "contact me" message for example -- then spread it around in that context all you like.
If someone has posted personal info as part of their website, more or less as part of their resume or "about me" or whatever, then I would be OK linking to their site but I would not repost the info myself.
If someone's personal info is pulled from public records, even though that information is freely available to anyone who goes to look, I would not post it publicly without permission.
An example: the outing of the people supporting Prop 8 in California was wrong, in my opinion, even though I flatly opposed the amendment. I would have no problem exposing the involvement of corporations or other organizations, and I would have no problem with using that info to produce aggregate info (this percentage of Mormons, this number of people in Sausalito, etc), but posting names and addresses, even though it would be legal to do so, was, to me, unethical in the extreme.
Posting someone's info is a call to arms. There is absolutely no reason to do so unless you are hinting (or openly stating) that people should use that info to confront the individual in question.
I agree.
My information isn't hidden... it's all over the place: on my blog, on my company's website, etc... I even use my real name on signature lines in forums (not this one, obviously). So, although my information is public, it does still bother me every time it's posted.
And this is despite the fact that I've had my personal information (including my mother's home address) posted on 4chan's "/x/" channel on more than one occasion.
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If the threat of having his personal information posted here will keep him within certain boundaries, I have no regrets. All I posted, incidentally, was his first name. But there's an awful lot more out there. I find that people who behave abusively on online forums often do so because they feel invulnerable and invisible. Safe. Letting someone know that they aren't so invulnerable and invisible as that can do a world of good. Posting his first name was on the order of a "shot across the bow". Not intended to harm, but capable of serving as a warning.
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quote:Originally posted by Lisa: If the threat of having his personal information posted here will keep him within certain boundaries, I have no regrets. All I posted, incidentally, was his first name. But there's an awful lot more out there.
Your email contained a ridiculous and vague threat combined with some reasonable pleading, and now you're cackling over reigning me in with the ridiculous threat and failing to consider if it wasn't the other things you wrote that had an impact on me. In short, you're needling me after calling for a "truce." Yawn.
No, I don't like my real first name getting branded about the place but if it makes you feel like you have power go ahead.
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quote:Originally posted by Herblay: I just have a comment. . . .
It seemed to me that Hatrack had always been home to three types of people: the intelligensia who were generally interested in discussion, the people who were interested in advice or research or OSC (often flow-overs from the Writers Workshop), and people who'd read about Locke and Demosthenes and decided to subject the rest of us to their (often questionable) brilliance.
It doesn't help that Card himself attempts to mimic his creations in this way.
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quote:Originally posted by Herblay: I just have a comment. . . .
It seemed to me that Hatrack had always been home to three types of people: the intelligensia who were generally interested in discussion, the people who were interested in advice or research or OSC (often flow-overs from the Writers Workshop), and people who'd read about Locke and Demosthenes and decided to subject the rest of us to their (often questionable) brilliance.
It doesn't help that Card himself attempts to mimic his creations in this way.
I use to think that myself. Now I just believe that we don't have much in common with each other. Besides my love of his books.... which is enough, oddly enough.
I really enjoyed meeting Mr. Card and his wife the one time I got a chance to do so. He, along with GRRM and Juliet McKenna, were all very nice, very professional, and very friendly. More so than any of the other authors, to be honest.
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I have to say that it is nice to read threads that aren't two different sides of two different extremes hacking it out.
I also think that threatening people, in almost any context, is wrong. However, it seems pretty stupid to post a link to private info if you want to keep it secret.
As for my disagreements with our favorite author... they're just disagreements. I disagree with alot of people without it causing me to hate them. Heck, I almost can't open my mouth on any subject of importance with my own parents without it turning into a tornado! Strangely enough, this is because I am truly fairly moderate. My mother is a pretty extreme democrat, and my father is growing more conservative by the day, so no matter what position I take up, it mortally offends one or the other of them. I can't imagine how they live with eachother....
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