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Triple post! Hatrack is addictive, if you have nothing else to do! Still a conspiracy in my eyes! ----- Also you failed to explain why building 7 just explodes and collapses even though it's a pretty fair distance from all the action....
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quote:Also you failed to explain why building 7 just explodes and collapses even though it's a pretty fair distance from all the action....
You understand the difference between 'failed to explain' and 'didn't at this point in time explain,' right? If so: You're right, I haven't. That doesn't detract from the points I made at all, though, so .. hooray?
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quote:Also you failed to explain why building 7 just explodes and collapses even though it's a pretty fair distance from all the action....
This is a very dishonest method of discussion, Rawrain. You made a bunch of (frequently made, frequently rebutted, ridiculous) points, and some of them were very soundly shut down. Completely ignoring the fact that some of the issues you brought to the table were demonstrated to be incorrect, you just said, "Well what about this?"
That's not how you have a good-faith discussion. In one of those you say, "Huh, I didn't know that," or, "Never thought of it that way, good point." Not doing so is not only pretty bad form, it makes you look pretty ridiculous-and that's putting it mildly.
How about that week off from Hatrack you were going to take? It would be good for you. You said you were going to do it. I think you'll find that - and it's funny that Charlie Sheen is having his business right now too - most people around here are reaching their limits on how much time they'll waste on you, with a few exceptions.
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Sam, no matter how many times you point out gramatical errors it won' answer the statement for you. - Rakeesh, off-topic, I said I would take a week off after I post a landmark, no landmark posted.
Are you "telling" me to acknowledge Sam's post as accurate, or act like he informed me on a plausibility I didn't already know about?
pentagon 'crash' site A crash site Crashed into a mountain: Helios Airways Flight 522 Crashed: Kam Air Flight 904 Crashed into mountains: West Caribbean Airways Flight 708 I find it hard to find pictures of plane crashes with similar magnitude to the pentagon crash, strange.... if you really wanna prove me wrong find those 3 pictures, if they are identical to the Pentagon crash, I will compliment Sam on how right he was about large aircrafts disintegrating. ------- Building 7 remains unchallenged. ------- The events of 911 are relivent to the topic at hand, as the initial cause of all this hub-bub. If it's proven Muslim Extremists are responsible for the events, it's one thing, but if it's proven that our government or some secret seated shadows are responsible, it's another thing entirely.
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You should archive these posts, Rawrain, and look at them ten years later. It'll be good for you.
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Curiously the FBI confiscated many of the videos that would've seen the plane hit the Pentagon.
http://vimeo.com/13726978 It's pretty great to watch long, and informal! You may want to skip the whole 'history of religion' part, which basically compares religions to astrology and each other. After the 911 talk, it goes on to talk about the economy, central bank and such..
Or maybe you shouldn't watch it because I suggested so, your choice 8D
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I have friends that witnessed the plane hit the pentagon. The news cameras broadcasting from DC were on her building's roof and having stayed at their apt before, I know with the windows they have a perfect view of that part of pentagon. While we have before discussed the ability to remember things that aren't true, this apt by habit and location would have witnessed the attack and they were talking about it immediately after. I guess the government convinced all those folks to lie believably to their friends about it, which with an apt full of upstanding LDS women, believable lying would be an impressive accomplishment.
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Here's an exercise for you, Rawrain: try to disprove your OWN idea. That is, look for evidence yourself that rebuts your own suggestions (which, like many conspiracies, have the appeal to vanity that this one does: it makes you secretly wise, and other people dupes, and frees you from an obligation to become better informed).
This is a VERY well-researched topic, easily accessed online by CREDIBLE sources. See if you can do this. There's no risk, because if you're right an attempt to disprove yourself fairly will fail. If you're wrong, you've gained by shedding a wrong belief.
This is pretty much one of the easiest tests of how to be a critical thinker and good-faith participants in a discussion I've encountered in awhile. I hope, but at this point don't expect, you can do it. I rather expect some gloating about how people haven't actually showed you were wrong, and some emoticons.
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My grandmother was on the army navy country club greens (or some other close field) playing golf next to the pentagon when the plane went right over her head.
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Alright Sam wins Grandmother victory! Still curious about what the FBI gains by taking all of the video evidence from stationary cameras..
How does forensic evidence survive in temperature hot enough to melt steel...
Rakeesh it's not my idea, but it's a conspiracy theory, if it was entirely proven it would be just a conspiracy, though it's only a theory I still believe it's absolutely true, after all this country is that messed up.
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FBI takes cameras because those cameras give different views of what happens. Same reason why when someone is robbed at the walmart parking lot, the police collect not just the walmart parking lot videos, but also the texaco and discount tire videos that show a different angle. It gives a more thorough picture of exactly what happened.
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"His gas station, open only to Department of Defense personnel, is the last structure between the Pentagon and the hillside that, hours later, would become a wailing knoll. "By the time I got outside all I could see was a giant cloud of smoke, first white then black, coming from the Pentagon," he said. "It was just a terrible, terrible thing to be so close to." "Velasquez says the gas station's security cameras are close enough to the Pentagon to have recorded the moment of impact. "I've never seen what the pictures looked like," he said. "The FBI was here within minutes and took the film." The FBI was there within minutes, interesting...
http://infowars.net/pictures/may2006/170506FOIA.jpg request to see the tapes under the freedom of information act -denied ------------- If these videos show what is obvious then why does the FBI need to hold them? It's just ridiculous all of it.. the government lies lies and hides, and if you so much as try to step outside that, you will get denied... just like the whole roswell thing, you can get the papers NOW, but they are blacked out in all the sweet spots. ------------- Pop mech, and scie. are awesome magazines 8D I had a 3 year sub for one of my birthdays, some amazing stuff in both of them...
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No, but that's just because I only look into matters of my concern, and when I look into them I look deeply into them. The way I see it, it's either is a conspiracy or it was made to look like one. I can't think of any reason to make something look like a conspiracy so my bet is on the 1st one.
We gotta save ourselves while we can, after that everything gets out of our control...
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You say you looked deeply into it. Take a look at what the infowars FOIA request was actually for vs what you said it was for (hint: it says in the letter), and then look at the reasons the request was denied (hint: the letter points you at the reasons used).
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Conspiracy theories can be fun and some are quite convincing but I have found that most come from a lack of understanding about the facts of a case.
For instance, people like to claim that Oswald couldn't have made the shot on JFK because the Italian rifle he used was one of the least accurate weapons of WWII. That second part is true; however, at that range, ANY WWII long rifle is more than accurate enough to make that shot. Anyone that knows rifles and shooting would know that the gun, while second rate, is still good enough. Anyone that doesn't know shooting hears that and says "conspiracy".
Please note, I am not interested in starting a JFK debate. Just using it as an example. If you want to spew a bunch of other theories about it, start a new thread.
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Well, Rawrain, you've consistently demonstrated that you're not worth being taken seriously. Even very easy things you won't investigate, choosing instead go flatter your own vanity by believing you've 'looked deeply' into things. Despite not having shown evidence of looking beyond whatever silly preconception you started a conversation with.
I won't spend any more time taking you seriously. Enjoy being super-right, dude! Everyone else just don't look deep enough!
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Just many unanswered simple questions that are kept secret for unknown reasons arouses suspicion in me and other people, so of course conspiracy arrives especially when people dying is involved.
I'm not taken seriously anyways, it would take a video of a plane NOT crashing into the pentagon to convince you guys otherwise, and of course let's see someone get them >__>
And no one ever answered the question about Islamic Atheists being an oxymoron...
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