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Blayne Bradley
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Okay so I want to write a long running space opera with a huge cast of characters, my five "main" characters are actually some high schools who formed a light music/rock band. They are also unlikely in my current stage of brainstorming ever going to be anywhere "near" the action and are more meant as a breather between the combat and thriller aspects of the story and give exposition and contrast.

Basically a slice of life romantic comedy genre shift away from the epic space war.

Now however I'm left with a dilemma that I think some of the cynical of you are probably already guessing at.

I am not a song writer and have never written a song before.

So I am left with a choice, do I write around this "Light Novel" style (like in The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya) where you describe a concert scene and peoples reaction and elaborate on the mood step by step but run the risk of making them Mary Sueish by never showing them actually singing (because while amateur they have talent) and yet having everyone they meet congratulate them on how good they are for their age.

Or do I put in some effort and actually write some songs but run the risk of breaking peoples suspension of disbelief by the songs not being all that special or even good?

There's always the third option of doing a mix of both and then finding someone who can songwrite and have them do it if I get serious about this but that presents other problems.

Here's a song I wrote using this song at the 24ish second mark as a beat.

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Enjoying our crazy ride.

Threatening our very lives.

Forcing. Us. To Substantiate.

Pooling our reckless resolve to reciprocate.

To delay our beleaguered fate.

When will we ever learn some caution?

I suppose we never will so what would we gain?

Spiraling forth, because we can.

Do not stop us! You can't stop us! Why are you trying!?

Please why won't you just go away?

We would love to never see you ever again. (cry)

But you will never leave us the hell alone.

So here we are, just you and me.

Bound by our transient resentment.

This is all entirely just your fault.

This stupid dream.

Why won't you understand I would never be satisfied?

Such a terrible fate how could it not be amplified?

We resolve to eliminate, such a twisted fate.


So song I thought up of while I was jogging and wrote down with the above song as the beat. Lines 3-5 I think should be the chorus.

I completely lack music experience, and don't even know how to play guitar, I have one but haven't gotten around to learning it yet :sadface:

Thoughts?

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TomDavidson
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Step around it.
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Blayne Bradley
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But you are the personification of cynicism though. And lacking in elaboration, meant to be a little more on the discussion side, and a little less on the yes/no answer.

That and a friend who I just learned *is* a song writer says the lyrics aren't bad but it would need to depend on the inflection.

I'm thinking what would be optimal is to write a song, and then have a friend correct it.

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If you think that's optimal, go for it.
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Blayne, aside from the specific topic discussion, I think this may be your best concept yet.
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Blayne Bradley
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So aside from the topic... Best concept... So, the story idea?

I'm also trying to think of a band name, I'm thinking "The Kabutomushies" which means "Stagbeetle" or "Beetle" so a stealth pun.

Basically WWHST (What Would High Schoolers Think) is cool and from Japan as a band name?

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Blayne Bradley
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Okay now I'm just confused these lyrics are actually apparently good when I show it to some music people.

Now I don't know what to think!!!

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Writing a musical typically requires that the writer be able to write music, since the whole work is framed around musical numbers. This is why Avenue Q, or say UrineTown, both suck so badly (IMHO): they were written as overly clever plays that were turned into musicals by people who don't particularly appreciate the demands of building a specific musical voice into a show. They also seem to have been written by people who have less than an evolved concept of song structure, and why and how it actually works. On the other hand, shows like The Sound of Music can have memorable and catchy music that motivates the story as it entertains.

If you write the libretto as if you were writing poetry, you'll miss quite a lot of what makes songs and musicals memorable, and what actually makes them *work*.

Just as a for example, there's nothing particularly *wrong* with your libretto above. It's not particularly interesting to me, but it's not bad. What makes it not work is that it isn't anything like a song. Songs and Arias are structured in specific ways so that the narrative concept of the song evolves through a progression from chorus to verse. Now, you may say: "I'll just add choruses later," but that would be taking a serious misstep. Typically the biggest stumbling block in writing songs is that the song-writer has a lot to express through lyrics, and doesn't appreciate that the song is should be built up from choruses- not simply anchored by them. The chorus is the essence of the song. It should usually come first in the creative process. If you have no chorus, it's a fair bet you aren't certain what your song is about. So if you want to write songs, I suggest just bandying about ideas for choruses first, and then only much later adding verses. Listen to the early Beatles for some stellar examples of what I'm talking about. And if you want proof of concept, just try to remember off the top of your head the first verse of any song from any musical you've ever seen. Personally, I can name you ten choruses, and not a single verse.

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