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Stone Wolf, certainly, but I recognize the importance of keeping some people away from the general populace so they can't hurt other people. A necessary "bad".
quote:Originally posted by Rakeesh: That has always seemed to me to be a much more pointed argument towards reforming our prisons than instituting something like flogging.
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I bet Joe white collar who is in for one year for tax evasion would mind being thrown loose into a walled up Montana.
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I'm sure this system is awesome and appropriate. Flogging is, I'm sure, neither cruel nor unusual and so the constitution couldn't possibly have any problem with it and the precedent wouldn't be terrible anyway so let's just go nuts.
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I suppose this is a derail, but I never understood the 'unusual' part of 'cruel and unusual'. If something is proscribed infrequently it's [not] OK? Something that was not OK but a judge hands down 10 sentences of it in a row is now acceptable?
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Samp, I am still trying to get my head around people who could justify flogging yet have their heads explode over masturbation.
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As a pun I suppose that's alright. Who are these people, though? None that I've seen around here anyway. And I say that as someone who personally thinks proscriptions against masturbation in and of itself are pretty strange and silly.
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I didn't say or mean to imply that there were necessarily any of those people here. There very well might be, but they have not done so to my knowledge.
And you are right. Not bad for an unintentional pun.
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It could be this is where Sa'eed got the thread idea.
quote:Suggest adding the whipping post to America’s system of criminal justice and most people recoil in horror. But offer a choice between five years in prison or 10 lashes and almost everybody picks the lash. What does that say about prison?
America has a prison problem. Never in the history of the world has a country locked up so many of its people. We have more prisons than China, and it has a billion more people than we do. Forty years ago America had 338,000 people behind bars. Today 2.3 million are incarcerated. We have more prisoners than soldiers. Something has gone terribly wrong.
He basically makes the case that while we might not like it, it's better than the current system.
I think that's a valuable debate to have, but it still to a large degree sets up a false dichotomy. There are other options out there, options that have been advocated by prison reform activists. Flogging is not our only alternative to a messed up prison system.
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no let's just bring flogging into the picture. But remember, it's JUST for men. Women aren't allowed that punitive option even if it's being introduced as a remedy, because Clive Candy, ergo
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Samp has a very low tolerance for fools...however he manages on a day to day basis is a wonder to me.
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I think it's more accurate to say I have a very high tolerance for fools and they fill me with mirth via their endless entertainment value
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It seems like there is a large amount of anger involved as well. I guess getting POed is pretty entertaining though.
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I know it's really common for people to claim 'oh man I am totally never angry, in fact I am a bastion of monklike jedi zen' when people call them out for flipping out or raging, but this forum hasn't ever really incited anger in me. Not even with Sa'eed, he's just a Known Quantity and the jury's out on him.
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I think penal labor could possibly be a good system, if properly regulated. Of course the problem is always that you don't want it to compete with private business.
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