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Orincoro
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I want to advocate that everyone carry a small personal supply of that lovely spicy sauce, ade from the Tabasco pepper.

First of all, it's a minor item. You can put a small bottle on your keyring for easy access. And the benefits of enormous! Your soup isn't spicy enough in the cafeteria? No spices on hand? You've got Tabasco! Use it at that fancy restaurant just so as not to have to wait for the server to fetch some. Spice up that taco stand taco when you've walked away without the proper condiments. Play a trick on an old pal, and put it in your boss's coffee when he isn't looking. The possibilities are endless.

Everyone should carry Tabasco at all times. And the best part is, at under 3 ounces, you can carry it on the plane too! No more bland airline food for you.

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This thread is not nice.
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Orincoro
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*I* am not known for niceness.
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I can see why.
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BlackBlade
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I knew a guy who carried Tobasco sauce around in a holster, it was kinda weird. Having said that, I love Tobasco sauce on so many foods, but I wouldn't be able to choose between traditional and chipotle. Also, I've heard really good things about garlic.
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Glenn Arnold
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I believe my boss puts hot sauce in his own coffee. And everything else. But he finds Tabasco isn't hot enough in most cases. He uses Frank's, sometimes, but only as a replacement for salt. There is a variety of hot sauce in the cafeteria at work, most of which are much hotter than Tabasco. We seem to have a faction of hot sauce aficionados.
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Oooooh! I know what thread this thread is a parody/making fun of!!!
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I have recently discovered that Tabasco turns Kraft Mac & Cheese from something barely edible to something almost good.
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I have visited Avery Island, in my home state of Louisiana, many times.
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I used to add tabasco sauce to Campbell's chicken noodle soup.
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quote:
Originally posted by Jon Boy:
I have recently discovered that Tabasco turns Kraft Mac & Cheese from something barely edible to something almost good.

You should add it to that jambalaya Brinestone makes. She may already use it.
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I find Tabasco of limited utility. It's too sour for most food. I like to have a variety of hot sauce on hand. Sriracha is probably the one I go to the most often. For eggs I like Cholula. For an hour or so of regret I have used After Death sauce.
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The tiny bottles of tabasco sauce that come with military MRE's are very much so prized by me, like golden coins or tiny diamonds. The long-haul trail food — the stuff designed for absolutely minimal weight, vac-sealed and mostly freeze-dried — will mercifully cut tens of precious pounds off of your overnighter pack, but can get real bland real fast if you don't have something to spice it up with.
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quote:
Originally posted by BlackBlade:
You should add it to that jambalaya Brinestone makes. She may already use it.

It's already got cayenne pepper, so I'm not sure what Tabasco would add except for the vinegar flavor. Maybe she should just ramp up the cayenne.
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El JT de Spang
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Jambalaya shouldn't include cayenne pepper.
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The favorite hot sauce in our house seems to be Bat's Brew. So far we've only been able to find it in New Orleans, but we've picked up a supply every time we've been there. Since we have no Louisiana trip planned in the near future we might have to try to find it online when the current 6 bottles run out.
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Jon Boy
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quote:
Originally posted by El JT de Spang:
Jambalaya shouldn't include cayenne pepper.

So what should it include? Because while Brinestone's recipe may not be authentic, but it sure is delicious.
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quote:
*I* am not known for niceness.
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I can see why
You may recall a moment a few days ago when I noted that Orincoro was being uncharacteristically charitable, fair and extremely patient.
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quote:
Originally posted by El JT de Spang:
Jambalaya shouldn't include cayenne pepper.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXChcvVPv2A
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quote:
Originally posted by Raymond Arnold:
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*I* am not known for niceness.
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I can see why
You may recall a moment a few days ago when I noted that Orincoro was being uncharacteristically charitable, fair and extremely patient.

At the time I thought you were saying that he was right...now I see what you meant.

[ July 22, 2011, 02:25 AM: Message edited by: Stone_Wolf_ ]

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Raymond Arnold
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Well, I had said (separately) in that post that he was right, but no, I was talking about something very specific.

In general I think his typical posting style is overly-hostile, but I am hard pressed to blame him here. Mean spirited as this may feel to you, the evidence really is exactly as compelling.

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I've sliced my toe open on a broken bottle of Tabasco sauce before. Needed 8 stitches. Good times.
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Green Tabasco is awesome... the red stuff is kind of meh. I totally prefer Franks.
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RA: I've accepted that people don't see this issue as I do, but I posted a lot of info (including 1/72 Americans being attacked per year) and ended up getting bogged down in a discussion of how to judge the concept of "convenience".

I didn't come at this argument in the way I would have ended up liking to do it. My title choices were unfortunate, and if I had gone with the less bossy and absolute way that I ended up going with, I imagine it would have gone much better.

It probably comes as zero shock to anyone here that I didn't foresee the opposition nor the negative attitudes that my unasked for advice got me.

Live and learn.

I'm still very much committed to spreading the word that there is something that we can do to help keep us safe which is easy, cheap and effective.

Sure some of these points are disputed...but it is what I believe and I will keep spreading the word and fighting for what I think is right.

I do appreciate the discussion, it does help me refine my message.

[ July 22, 2011, 06:52 PM: Message edited by: Stone_Wolf_ ]

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Oh, and since people are talking about Jambalaya...I thought I would post my own original recipe. It's not "traditional" by any means, I just call it Jambalaya because it is a spicy sausage dish served with rice.

Ingredients:

1 extra large (or 2 medium) videlia onions
1 can black olives
1 large can sliced mushrooms
1 jumbo can of diced tomatoes in juice
1 small can of tomato paste
1 clove of garlic
1 package of spicy Italian turkey sausage
2 cups of brown rice (serve jambalaya on top of rice)

Slice the onions up into strips, cook in a large nonstick skillet over medium heat...add the diced tomatoes with juice...add in mushrooms, drained...slice and add the garlic (being boiled in tomato juice makes the garlic very pleasant and not overwhelming at all) drain and cut olives in half and add. Add salt, cayenne pepper and black pepper to taste (stir into the liquid and sample). When adding the sausage, twist each sausage at the center and push out the contents from the casing into the skillet, covering each half sausage in veg and juice to cook. Without the casing the sausage cooks quickly...about five to ten minutes. Pull out the sausage with tongs and slice it up into bite size pieces. Add tomato paste last...add in a spoonful at a time to thicken sauce to taste.

Serve on top of rice. Makes 4-6 servings.

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quote:
Originally posted by Stone_Wolf_:

RA: I've accepted that people don't see this issue as I do, but I posted a lot of info (including 1/72 Americans being attacked per year) and ended up getting bogged down in a discussion of how to judge the concept of "convince".

Look, all you have to do is state for me any opposition to my Tabasco arguments that I may have missed, and I will address it. I can't possibly address it if you don't state it in a way that compels me to answer.
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Orincoro
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Oh and I've placed a call to the head chef of my favorite restaurant to get his opinion on this. We'll see what he has to say.
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How's it going controlling those violent fantasies Orincoro? Does being a bully online help? If so, please continue, I'd rather you act like a horse's ass here then commit an act of violence in the real world. Although if you ever do, I sure hope your potential victim is carrying pepper spray!
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Can the guy who has threatened to punch people and confessed to wishing others be attacked after they didn't agree about pepper spray lecture people on violence fantasies some more?

(Admittedly, you copped to the wishing harm thing right away, and that kind of thing isn't uncommon-I've had fleeting thoughts like that too. Nonetheless-pots and kettles, man.)

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I have to disagree. Tabasco sauce is not at all tasty, and also, not very spicy.
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quote:
Originally posted by dkw:
The favorite hot sauce in our house seems to be Bat's Brew. So far we've only been able to find it in New Orleans, but we've picked up a supply every time we've been there. Since we have no Louisiana trip planned in the near future we might have to try to find it online when the current 6 bottles run out.

Or you could have a friend ship it to you...
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El JT de Spang
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quote:
Originally posted by Jon Boy:
quote:
Originally posted by El JT de Spang:
Jambalaya shouldn't include cayenne pepper.

So what should it include? Because while Brinestone's recipe may not be authentic, but it sure is delicious.
Don't get me wrong, authenticity is overrated. My own jambalaya recipe is an outright abomination if you asked my grandmother about it. If it's delicious, I wouldn't worry about it.

The definitive jambalaya recipe is in a cookbook downstairs, but as far as I can remember, the only dry seasoning is a tablespoon or so of cajun seasoning (like Tony Chachere's or something similar). Now, to be fair, cajun seasoning does contain about 1 part in 10 cayenne, mixed in with a bunch of other seasonings. So there would be trace amounts of cayenne in a traditional jambalaya. Most of the flavor comes from the veggies (the cajun trinity), the meat, and the chicken stock.

Of course, it's also pretty difficult to even pin down 'traditional' jambalaya, because it was a bastard offspring of paella and developed organically along those lines over 300 years ago.

So, like I said, if it's delicious don't fix it. [Smile]

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Heya Rakeesh...do me a favor and please do not directly address me. I've made it clear I do not want to talk to you dude. And when you say things like I've threatened to punch people here...which is incorrect and misleading and I don't answer it makes it seem like I accept your views. Just respect that I don't wanna talk to you and leave me out of your posts.
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Frank's Sauce > Tabasco
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So you implying that I walk around barely containing violence is ok SW? That is model behavior? Indeed, pot kettle. Learn to take some flak.
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I have no idea what you are talking about, but I know a bully when I see one, and you fit the bill. Don't like the label, change your behavior.
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Wait a second, I thought the formula was, "Don't like the behavior, insist the other person stop talking to you." Anyway, as for not knowing what he's talking about...I was how long ago that you outright stated he's got violent fantasies, and implied that bullying you was what was holding him in check (with a nice pat on the back for yourself for that public service), and *then* went on to imply that if/when he victimizes someone, acting on these violent fantasies, hopefully they can defend themselves?

Actually, that wasn't long ago at all. But I suspect because you didn't explicitly state much of that, you'll (again) deny having said or suggested it. Orincoro making fun of you with a thread gag: bullying, mean behavior. Stone_Wolf suggesting Orincoro is a barely restrained nut: completely fair.

Anyway, the funny thing is, Orincoro *did* change his behavior, at least from the norm, for quite awhile. So far as I (and several others, people who aren't me and thus whose words aren't automatically discounted), nothing came of it but yet more not listening.

You're probably right, though. He's just a bully seething with violent impulses barely contained.

...just *how* is it you recognize that so clearly from so little and limited interaction?

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Rakeesh: You aren't exactly striking me as somebody attempting to have a positive interaction with Stone_Wolf. You might want to consider how you might change that.
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Here, I'll emulate his style then: Stone_Wolf, I'm sorry you're uncomfortable with having it pointed out that things you've said contradict one another. I hope that if this makes you angry enough to lash out in real life, whoever your victim is has some defense mechanism to stop your potential violence.

Positive interaction like *that*, BlackBlade? Man didn't like what Orincoro was saying. Fair enough, goodness knows that's so very often *me*. Suggesting he has violent fantasies that it's a struggle to repress? Not fair at all. Bad form indeed. (And then there was the whole suggesting I was lying when I brought up the punch and wishing people would be attacked thing.)

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quote:
Originally posted by Orincoro:
Whereas I, a person who is very aware of the fantasies of violence and aggression that I have entertained through my life, and who therefore chooses to avoid possible situations of conflict and dangerous places, and chooses to go unarmed, see those who arm themselves as being like me, plus weapons. You see them as people like you, plus weapons. If I carried a weapon, I'd likely find a way to use it. I control my aggression carefully, because I am aware of how aggressive I am capable of being.

I never threatened rivka. I said I was thankful I didn't have an opportunity because I might have had a momentary, and regrettable lack of control.

And seriously, please stop talking to and about me, I always ending bickering and fighting when we speak and it is something I wish to avoid.

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Rakeesh: Are you trying to help Stone_Wolf surpress inappropriate violent tendencies, or are you trying to make him feel bad about having them period?
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Neither. I'm pointing out the...problem of him taking shots on this issue, having not long ago said some things that could, on the basis of Internet interactions, make *him* appear to have violent thoughts. I don't actually think he does, but he's not well-suited to throwing rocks on this issue. Which he did, quite self-righteously. Which was irritating.

Put another way, on what grounds does someone who admits they might've punched someone (which reads as a threat to me, and probably to most people. Or at least threatening, and in any event that sets aside the fleeting, regretted 'wish something bad would happen to some people) over an Internet discussion have to get critical of someone else for admitted violent fantasies?

Not much ground at all.

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The difference is I was "quite self righteously" offering to accept his mockery if it helped him lesson his violent fantasies, where he started this mock thread after I said that unwanted violent feelings were starting to arise in me and that I needed a break to help get rid of them. He is deliberately making the situation worse.

And you are simply ignoring me when I continually and courteously ask you to leave me alone. Would you please just lay off? I would really appreciate it.

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quote:
Originally posted by Rakeesh:
Neither. I'm pointing out the...problem of him taking shots on this issue, having not long ago said some things that could, on the basis of Internet interactions, make *him* appear to have violent thoughts. I don't actually think he does, but he's not well-suited to throwing rocks on this issue. Which he did, quite self-righteously. Which was irritating.

Put another way, on what grounds does someone who admits they might've punched someone (which reads as a threat to me, and probably to most people. Or at least threatening, and in any event that sets aside the fleeting, regretted 'wish something bad would happen to some people) over an Internet discussion have to get critical of someone else for admitted violent fantasies?

Not much ground at all.

I look at it very differently. Without getting into the issue of Orincoro, I look at whether the accusation has any truth in it, as well with what intent it was made with. I try very hard to not pay undue credence as to whether or not a person personally has mastered a concept they are telling me I ought to learn.

It's too easy to excuse bad behavior by simply finding some sort of uncleanliness with the person who told me that I was dirty. While hypocrisy is a real concern, and something to be criticized, I do believe that if somebody is forthcoming about their shortcomings, they are not disqualified from identifying those shortcomings in others.

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The post about Blair's After Death inspired me to pick up some at the store. Then I thought better and went for flavor over heat and got Blair's jalapeno/tequila death sauce.
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quote:
Originally posted by Stone_Wolf_:
I have no idea what you are talking about

Yes, you do. And now you've shown once again how much a weasel you are.

quote:
How's it going controlling those violent fantasies Orincoro?
You said this in reference to something I said, in a very different context, about myself. You did this in order to paint me as a monster who is using this forum to bully you. You see, people do this, referring to admissions of personal insecurities that other people have made, in order to *bully* them, and remind them that they have made these admissions, and to imply that one is not afraid of using these admissions against the person they are speaking to. That is bullying behavior.

The weaselly part is doing this, and then saying something like: "what? *You* were the one who admitted that you were like this." In a separate context, I talked about myself. You know far less than you think you do about what that means- particularly what it implies about my motivations, and particularly in a separate context from the one in which I discussed myself. You are acting the coward now, not owning up to obvious attempt to manipulate and intimidate.

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I never threatened rivka. I said I was thankful I didn't have an opportunity because I might have had a momentary, and regrettable lack of control.
And I didn't even use it against you. Because I understand what that feels like. Even if you *were* making an emotional appeal (not for the first time) to others to dismiss the weakness of your arguments because it was making you feel bad. That I don't do, because it's weak, and childish.


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but I know a bully when I see one, and you fit the bill. Don't like the label, change your behavior.
More bullying. You threaten to call me names as if it hurts my feelings. You threaten to use what I've said out of context to defame me, and you admit the tactic by offering to stop, only if I play nice. You aren't smart enough by half to intimidate me, and you're only making yourself into the fool here. I'd give it up (well, I wouldn't actually, but then, I'm better at this than you are). You feel threatened, and I understand that. You've reacted to all challengers as if disagreement threatened you- you're passive aggressive, you appeal to emotion over reason, and you deride the character of others who disagree with you, while ignoring their reasoning. You are consistent in this flailingly obvious strategy to dominate the conversation, when you are the weakest participant in it- by changing the rules to suit your purpose. That's the coward's way.

You see, through all of this, there is a difference between me and you. I base everything I say to you on what you've represented. The quality of your arguments, the quality of your reasoning. These are the salient points. THe conclusions I make about you are drawn from how you act. Not what you say about yourself personally. If you tell me you're an outstanding citizen and a patriot- that is meaningless to me in dealing with your reasoning. It affects nothing about what you have to say. But I said one thing. One personal thing about myself, which was provided as context for *sound reasoning* on my part, and you used that. You jumped on that personal detail to diminish me as a participant in a conversation. And you think that gives you an advantage? You think something I say about myself makes me feel weak when you misrepresent it back to me? I'm only embarrassed, for you, at the obviousness of the manipulation. At the fact that you need to grasp at *that* to make yourself feel better about what I've said. Even now, you see, all I have to do is point very clearly to what *you've done here* to impune your motives. That's perfectly sound- anybody can see it, anybody can see what you were trying to do.

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The difference is I was "quite self righteously" offering to accept his mockery if it helped him lesson his violent fantasies, where he started this mock thread after I said that unwanted violent feelings were starting to arise in me and that I needed a break to help get rid of them.
If you don't recognize the passive aggressive quality of that statement, then we have a problem of a different order. If you don't recognize the difference between you stating that you were getting angry and demanding understanding from others in that regard, and me contextualizing my reasoning by referring to myself and my own character, then we have yet a deeper problem. Rather, you have a deeper problem. I understand these differences very well.

You see, this is not one of those situations where I feel threatened, and need to lash out. You don't threaten me. I suspect that I threaten you- that is I think why you are acting this way, and you think that surely, being my equal as you judge yourself to be, I must feel the same. My surmise, you understand. Based entirely on the way you've acted.

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Originally posted by JonHecht:
The post about Blair's After Death inspired me to pick up some at the store. Then I thought better and went for flavor over heat and got Blair's jalapeno/tequila death sauce.

I am saddened that you would not take my advice to buy Tabasco. It is far superior in all applications to this Blair person, whomever he may be.
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Originally posted by BlackBlade:
While hypocrisy is a real concern, and something to be criticized, I do believe that if somebody is forthcoming about their shortcomings, they are not disqualified from identifying those shortcomings in others.

I agree. But this is not about identifying shortcomings. This is about impeaching character in a cowardly and disingenuous way.

That turns and admission that I find it necessary to be careful in asserting my own self control, into a dismally passive-aggressive: "so how are those violent fantasies of yours??"

It's puerile, at its base, and an ad hominem attack against an argument based in carefully plotted reasoning- and in that I include mocking his thread. That was an effective way of demonstrating its weaknesses.

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When someone says I'm struggling with negative feelings so much I need a break from even discussing it, when every single person disagrees with the point of the topic, in fact several say that they are now are further away from the proposed idea then at the beginning, that is a good time for mockery. When the someone is all alone and emotionally fragile, that's when you strike...if you are a bully. And when pointed out that what you are doing isn't nice, you shrug and say "-I'm- not known for being nice." And then, even when the discussion is basically over, and you still keep pushing and mocking, not even referencing anything currently said. I'm sure your effective demonstration of weakness wasn't at all emotionally fulfilling as bullying in the schoolyard is.

I maybe wrong about pepper spray, (of course I don't think I am) but my intent was to help people. I may have gone about poorly, but I believed what I said.

You are a bully Orincoro, but you missed me by a good 15 years. You might have been able to really hurt me had you knew me then, but now I'm okay with it, I'm grounded enough in myself to just sit back and say, "Your a bully." and not care what you think even a little bit.

If you in any way hoped your mocking was for my benefit, then you are deeply self delusional. The second you knew I didn't think it was funny, if you had good intent, you would have stopped.

So, don't complain about how I've treated you when you are the one who threw the first stone, the second, third and...hey, they goes the fourth. Waiting on the fifth. Keep mocking, clearly the message isn't getting through (that you are a bully).

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More passive aggression... uhuh. "Stop it you! I'm serious!"

Play the victim. That works. Not well, but still. [Wink]

Were you actually interested in maintaining your calm, you could ignore me. You could step away. I can't stop you. But nobody likes to lose, right?

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