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Even just a couple years ago, I heard a lot of people on the other side of the issue (other side from me that is) saying that Global Warming wasn’t happening at all. As in: the planet is not getting warmer, ice is not melting (or not at a dangerous or alarming rate): it’s just not happening. But in the last year or two I’ve heard almost exclusively people debunking global warming from the stand-point of “whatever is happening is natural: it’s not our fault”. Though I’m sure they have a less sever view of the consequences of run-away warming than others, the argument seems to have moved from: “it’s happening” to: “it’s our fault” (making the presumable next step arguing “we can do something about it”). Is this just my experience and other have seen no real change that way, or does this seem to be a real trend?
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Well there are certainly people that still say that it's not happening at all, but you're right - as the data continues to flow in, the reality-denying has shifted to more plausible reasons for why we shouldn't address it.
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I was on the fence until I read that the first end of winter sunrise came to Greenland much earlier because of how much the horizon had melted.
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One thing I'm curious about (not curious enough to go look it up myself, mind you, but curious about) is whether or not we are past the proverbial point of no return? In other words, if we started treating the environment right and did away with global warming, maybe even threw some global cooling in, would the world go back to the way it was? And I'm not foolish enough to think that would happen quickly. I just mean at all. Or is it now more of a matter of dealing with the mess we've made and trying our hardest not to make it worse?
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It used to snow in Utah, but we were on the edge -- it COULD melt in the winter, but we had it most of the year. It never got too heavy or cold. My, what a few degrees can do.
Anecdotal evidence from the top of the state: - Kids always have to wear coats, and it's usually a little snowy on Halloween. This year, it was 72 degrees. - Last week, it was 55 degrees. At 10 PM. - It's supposed to reach nearly 60 degrees this week. Even though it's raining. - My first four winters (back) in Utah, I had to shovel snow year round. Last year it was only twice. And the snow didn't stick more than a few days.
Maybe it's just a trend. Maybe it'll get cold. I'll just have to appreciate the fact that we're getting lots of rain. In December. Or the fact that they've changed our gardening zone, and some people are growing tropical fruit successfully.
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Global climate change is a reality. Always has been. While we are warming, the cause is up for debate as many would agree and many choose to deny.
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quote:Originally posted by Aros: It used to snow in Utah, but we were on the edge -- it COULD melt in the winter, but we had it most of the year. It never got too heavy or cold. My, what a few degrees can do.
Anecdotal evidence from the top of the state: - Kids always have to wear coats, and it's usually a little snowy on Halloween. This year, it was 72 degrees. - Last week, it was 55 degrees. At 10 PM. - It's supposed to reach nearly 60 degrees this week. Even though it's raining. - My first four winters (back) in Utah, I had to shovel snow year round. Last year it was only twice. And the snow didn't stick more than a few days.
Maybe it's just a trend. Maybe it'll get cold. I'll just have to appreciate the fact that we're getting lots of rain. In December. Or the fact that they've changed our gardening zone, and some people are growing tropical fruit successfully.
This resonates with me.
Think of how many pioneer lives could have been saved that second winter if they had pumped enough fossil fuels into the air sooner!
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