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The problem is that sometimes the camera doesn't catch everything, or makes it look worse than it really was at the time. But even with that in mind, every officer I work with (I work at the jail) all prefer having the cameras in every area allowed.
It is FAR more likely that an inmate will lie about abuse than it is for an officer to actually abuse someone, so that camera has actually SAVED more officers than it has condemned, by far.
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Well, at least we can all agree that there need to be cameras on cops at all times.
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Given that the verdict must fit the trial rather than some abstract truth, the verdict was correct. But I take it you mean this seems to indicate Zimmerman likely did it.
*shrug* It does make him look bad, and I felt his story was self-serving bullshit that served to illustrate how dangerous and stupid it really is for stupid people such as Zimmerman to be allowed to roam the streets with a gun, looking for crime. But I don't see how this case, such as it is so far, should rationally lead anyone to conclude much about Martin's death.
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Yeah. He could write an editorial titled, "I killed Trayon Martin, and I got away with it." and it wouldn't actually change the verdict the jury should have reached.
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quote:Originally posted by Rakeesh: Given that the verdict must fit the trial rather than some abstract truth, the verdict was correct. But I take it you mean this seems to indicate Zimmerman likely did it.
What do you mean by "did it"? Nobody disputes the fact that Zimmermann shot Martin. The question is whether it was self defense, which is a legal question and not a factual one.
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By 'did it' I meant something closer to 'deliberately picked, followed, and then started or goaded into a fight' rather than the physical act of shooting and killing Martin.
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quote:Originally posted by Rakeesh: Given that the verdict must fit the trial rather than some abstract truth, the verdict was correct. But I take it you mean this seems to indicate Zimmerman likely did it.
*shrug* It does make him look bad, and I felt his story was self-serving bullshit that served to illustrate how dangerous and stupid it really is for stupid people such as Zimmerman to be allowed to roam the streets with a gun, looking for crime. But I don't see how this case, such as it is so far, should rationally lead anyone to conclude much about Martin's death.
Yes, I agree, on the legal question the verdict was the way it should be. But the fault for Trayvon's death lies squarely on Zimmerman, whether or not he legally acted in self defense. As you said, without someone like Zimmerman running about as an armed vigilante, Trayvon would not be dead. This most recent revelation on Zimmerman makes me question whether he was "ambushed" by Trayvon in their final altercation. I wouldn't be surprised if Zimmerman was actually the aggressor who chased down Martin and jumped him, physically starting the fight. Then Zimmerman started screaming for help when he got on the losing end, and ultimately fired the killing shot. If that is the case, wouldn't the proper verdict have been manslaughter or negligent homicide or something akin to that? We can never know for certain who really started the fight. Thus reasonable doubt requires a 'not guilty' verdict. I'm just saying this latest news diminishes the "reasonable" part of reasonable doubt.
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zimmerman has served a pretty valuable service, post-trayvonning, of being sort of an easy racism dowsing rod of an issue
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Zimmerman had every much as right to be at that sidewalk as Martin did. That's NOT saying the same thing as saying he is bight, or shows good judgement.
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quote:Originally posted by Kwea: Zimmerman had every much as right to be at that sidewalk as Martin did. That's NOT saying the same thing as saying he is bight, or shows good judgement.
It's a shame that Zimmerman didn't, you know, recognize that Martin had a right to be on that sidewalk without being followed with gun, accosted, pre-convicted of a crime, etc.
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quote:Zimmerman had every much as right to be at that sidewalk as Martin did. That's NOT saying the same thing as saying he is bight, or shows good judgement.
Which is sort of besides the point, isn't it?
Since the original incident, he's been arrested for assaulting his girlfriend and drawing a gun on her. He was also accused by his ex-wife of threatening her with a firearm.
Do neither of these things make you at all doubtful of his original story in the Martin shooting?
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I suppose we might hear all about how they shouldn't make us begin to question his honesty.
Lying in court and attempting to hide money wasn't enough for some people to stomach questioning Zimmerman's integrity, after all.
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quote:Originally posted by Kwea: Zimmerman had every much as right to be at that sidewalk as Martin did. That's NOT saying the same thing as saying he is bight, or shows good judgement.
It's a shame that Zimmerman didn't, you know, recognize that Martin had a right to be on that sidewalk without being followed with gun, accosted, pre-convicted of a crime, etc.
'those assholes always get away' said zimmerman obviously in the spirit of 'this man has just as much a right to be here as me'
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