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Solid movie. I'd rank it somewhere between the original trilogy and First Class. Quicksilver, the girl making the portals, and the Sentinels were all awesome. Depressed Xavier was annoying. I don't get why Wolverine wouldn't remember everything between 1970 and the last scene. By changing the past, he would have lived through it as well. He should have memories from both timelines, neh?
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Once they stopped saying some variation of "The future is bad!" "But we Can change it!" over and over and over, it got pretty good.
As for why Wolverine couldn't remember the new timeline, it's basically because this movie is based around "consciousness" time travel. The body doesn't travel through time, the consciousness does.
So imagine it like Quantum Leap. When Sam Beckett leaps into a body, he doesn't remember what the body remembers, he only remembers what HE remembers. If he leaps into a waitress, none of the waitresses memories are his, just his own.
And when he leaps into his younger self, he still has his own memories, not the younger self's memories. Things his younger self would remember--little things like what he had for breakfast the day before--he doesn't remember.
That's the kind of time travel Wolverine is doing.
So when his consciousness reappears in the alternate timeline, it basically takes over the mind of alternate Wolverine and wipes out alternate Wolverine's consciousness.
That's not to say that the filmmakers might not have the new consciousness pop back up sometime, or have Xavier do a data dump of Wolverine's new memories into him, or something else.
But the short version is that Darkest Timeline Wolverine did a Quantum Leap style takeover of the Brightest Timeline version of himself. While the body may have lived through the brightest timeline, the "aiua" did not.
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I liked the movie a lot, Quicksilver was great, and they worked in a lot of other cool mutants.
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That said, Magneto saying they needed him too was purely his ego leading them to nearly waste what might have been their only chance to fix the past. It would have been way easier without him.
Why does Wolverine have his metal claws back in the dystopian future (i have a theory)?
Why send Wolverine to only a few days before the assassination? Why not back to when they tried to recruit him in the bar, when the team was together, all on the same side, and basically good.
How does adding metal from the tracks into sentinals allow Magneto to control the computers inside them?
Why is Scarlett Witch apparently Quicksilver's little sister?
And Hank makes a serum which can undo permanent nerve damage, reversing both paralysis and pain,the only side affect being it suppresses mutant powers. Seems like something the rest of the world might have use for. Also if you had the chance to walk again, and gave up immense power to get it back, wouldn't you do something besides sit around in your house?
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I liked the movie a lot. The first ten minutes were probably my favorite from any superhero movie ever. Blink's powers on the big screen were a real treat, and those scenes set in the future were epic.
It wasn't perfect, by any means. And the 1973 scenes in the past were a huge let-down after the awesomeness of the intro.
quote:That said, Magneto saying they needed him too was purely his ego leading them to nearly waste what might have been their only chance to fix the past. It would have been way easier without him.
Yeah, I never quite got that part. So the whole point is to not give the humans a reason to fear the sentinals. So you break the mutant the humans believe to have assassinated the US president out of prison. Forget Trask, that even alone would have been enough to kick-start the sentinel program, or something like it. And having one mutant save the president is not going to sway the masses, when the one about to kill the president was another mutant. Showing that a single mutant can destroy your government with one hand behind his back means that all of our defense spending goes to programs that can fight mutants.
That's probably the script's biggest problem. The 1973 government believes a mutant killed the freaking president. Mystique could kill 100 Trasks, and it wouldn't compare to that.
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Oh yeah, the future scenes were all great, Blink especially was cool. Also the adaptive technology wasn't as big a problem as the mutant detector, and yeah, Trask isn't the problem, so much as mutants being the feared enemy. Especially since in the future he was killed before anyone bought the sentinels, but they still end up ruling the world.
And they just sort of gloss over the whole JFK was a mutant thing.
The professor should have gone to see the president right after Magneto left, to suggest the government fund a mutant recruitment program to handle people like Magneto.
The future was just pure epic fight scenes, I wish they had spent more time there.
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quote:Originally posted by Marek: That said, Magneto saying they needed him too was purely his ego leading them to nearly waste what might have been their only chance to fix the past. It would have been way easier without him.
Why does Wolverine have his metal claws back in the dystopian future (i have a theory)?
Why send Wolverine to only a few days before the assassination? Why not back to when they tried to recruit him in the bar, when the team was together, all on the same side, and basically good.
How does adding metal from the tracks into sentinals allow Magneto to control the computers inside them?
Why is Scarlett Witch apparently Quicksilver's little sister?
And Hank makes a serum which can undo permanent nerve damage, reversing both paralysis and pain,the only side affect being it suppresses mutant powers. Seems like something the rest of the world might have use for. Also if you had the chance to walk again, and gave up immense power to get it back, wouldn't you do something besides sit around in your house?
I don't know how Wolverine would have gotten his metal claws back without Apocalypse. Magneto removed the metal from his body in the comics, and it wasn't until Wolverine became one of Apocalypse's Four Horseman that Apocalypse gave him his metal back. (By ripping it out of Sabretooth no less!)
Since Apocalypse hasn't shown up yet or even spoken about in DoFP, who knows? Maybe Magneto put them back in there when they started fighting the sentinels, knowing Wolverine could withstand the pain?
For Magneto controlling the sentinels, that didn't make much sense to me either. Did he alter their circuit boards or something? Who knows.
I'm not really positive Scarlett Witch was the little girl sitting on Quicksilver's lap. I know we are probably meant to figure that, but it is common knowledge they are twins. Perhaps they had to change it to not be too similar to the Avenger's version of the two? Maybe it is Polaris, and Quicksilver's family is just taking care of her? Since the next movie is supposed to take place in the 80's, the little girl should be grown up a bit if she is in the movie.
I like to think the Serum only works on Mutants. Most likely the formula would become the base for the "cure" seen in The Last Stand.
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quote:Originally posted by Geraine: Magneto removed the metal from his body in the comics, and it wasn't until Wolverine became one of Apocalypse's Four Horseman that Apocalypse gave him his metal back. (By ripping it out of Sabretooth no less!)
It was Cyber's adamantium that was used to restore Wolverine's metal skeleton.
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quote:Since Apocalypse hasn't shown up yet or even spoken about in DoFP, who knows?
You didn't stick around for the after-credits scene in DoFP, did you?
I don't know the Marvel universe well enough to have been able to make a lot of sense of the after-credit scene. What was going on there?
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En Sabah Nur is Apocalypse, the canonical "first mutant" and antagonist of the "Four Horsemen" storyline mentioned above. I have no idea what they were trying to do with that scene, except possibly give you a shot of the next villain.
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Thanks, Tom. For some reason I really didn't like the X-Men as a kid (preferring The Defenders if I was going to go with anything resembling a super-group), and had never really gotten into them after returning to comics as an adult.
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quote:Originally posted by TomDavidson: En Sabah Nur is Apocalypse, the canonical "first mutant" and antagonist of the "Four Horsemen" storyline mentioned above. I have no idea what they were trying to do with that scene, except possibly give you a shot of the next villain.
You had to google his [real] name, right?
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Ha. It's just that I was the kind of kid who, for example, spent all my paper route money on buying every single crossover issue of the X-Cutioner's Song storyline, and I did not know his name.
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It is more than a little disturbing to realize how much of my brain is devoted to retaining -- accidentally, with no real intent -- completely useless pop culture trivia.
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