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bladeofwords
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I'm sure this has been asked before but here goes. I need two have a romantic encounter between characters but I don't want it to be sexual. Sensual is alright although I don't want the focus to be physical at all. I need some advice on how to write this because right now it just come across as comical.

The most difficult part is that I sort of want to have the guy turn down the girl when she starts making advances but I don't want it to seem like he's not interested in her. Any suggestions on how I could pull that part off?

Jon


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What's your character's motivation for turning down this woman? That would help a bit.

Stereotypically, many men wouldn't do so unless there was a specific reason. Indeed, there are finite number of reasons -- I will list a few of them.

1. He's madly in love with someone else and/or married.
2. He's chosen celibacy for a lifestyle (such as Smith's singer, Morrissey).
3. He thinks the woman is entirely unattractive.
4. He's uncomfortable about his "manhood" or is fresh out of Viagra.
5. Moral or religious reasons.

And the list goes on for about five or six more, most of which I can't write on this board.

[This message has been edited by HSO (edited August 09, 2004).]


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MaryRobinette
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If you send me the scene I can offer specific suggestions, but meanwhile here's a link with lots of nifty romance articles.

http://www.writing-world.com/romance/index.shtml


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Christine
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Actually, we don't talk about romance much around here. Shame, actually.

Anyway, I'm not entirely sure what you're getting at. Do you mean that the relationship is not physical or that you don't want to write about the physical parts? (Big difference in appraoch, one means friendship, essentially.)

HSO is correct in saying you need to consider your character's motivations, although I think the list can be far bigger than that. Typically, in romance, there is tension created in the fact that they both actually want each other but something keeps fthem from that ultimate fulfillment...usually an outside rather than inside factor, although it can play both ways. Often the man just is stubborn and doesn't want to get married or tied down, but he is attracted to the girl. Alternately, the woman might not want to get tied down and lose her freedom. There could be family members or friends discouraging the union, or there might be children involved. There are a lot of reasons, you just need to pick one and make it believable.


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It's pretty much for moral reasons. Keep in mind that this isn't a protracted situation. It's just one night in which they both see something in each other but he decides to wait it out and try to get to know her better. How do you have a character turn someone down without coming across as a total prude?

Jon


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Make both desire and counter-reason clear. If the character is the main char, the reader will naturally assume the best -- as long as you give the reader good enough guidlines. ^^
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Christine
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Ok, bladeofwords, let me spill this back to you to see if I have the facts straight. Girl wants to have sex with man. Man likes her a lot but wants to wait to get to know her better. Is that pretty much the blunt and simplistic description? The other interpretation I had (we'll call it interp B) was that they were both sexually attracted to one another but they both wanted to wait.

A is more difficult, actually, for a couple of reasons. First of all, men don't tend to turn down sex with someone they're interested in. I know, I know, I'm making a generalization. This isn't always true, but there is another difficulty in this situation. The type of man that (in my mind) would turn this girl down for sex is also the type of man who (again, in my mind) would not want to pursue a relationship with that kind of loose woman.

Interp B is very, very simple. There is no earthly reason why two sexually attracted people need to do it right then and there unless they are in the movies or on tv. In real life, people have more control over their own bodies than that, but meanwhile the sexual tension can be quite compelling. We know they both want each other but they are both sensible enough to wait.


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To be honest and fair, I've turned down a few women because I wanted to wait a little longer. Sex can change the dynmaic between two people for the worst. Sometimes it's just a matter of respect and some sense of chivalry.

Mostly, it's that ubiquitous 3 Date rule cropping up -- a man has got to have some standards, right?. (just kidding... Christine, it's time for me to fess up: you're far too easy to bait. Every time it's hook, line, and sinker. You realize that, don't you? My previous post was rather non-serious, but I knew you'd comment on it nonetheless. )


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Christine
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I know, I know. I'm a sucker fish. This is why I just hang up the phone on telephone solicitors. (Actually, on anyone who I don't know or who doesn't identify him/herself promptly. I hung up on my brother-in-law once because he decided to get cute and play a "guess who this is" game with me. )
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Well bladeofwords, I've been in that exact situation before, so maybe I can be of some help. I'm a guy of pretty strict morals (a.k.a. no sex outside of marriage) and have been in the situation of, "This chick is freaking hot and she's ready to go, and I could have her right now without much trouble at all." I've even been in that situation where I also thought, "She seems really cool, though. I'd definitely like to get to know her better."

Here's how I handle it, and I just realized this doesn't necessarily help you at all. I act like I'm completely oblivious to the fact that she's coming on to me (doesn't work if she just straight up says, "I want to have sex with you now."). Then, when the conversation turns to relationships, as it invariably does if she's coming on to you, I just make sure to mention that I'm not looking for anything really big with anybody, but new friends are always nice. (Because, as Christine said, the kind of guys who will turn down sex with a girl for moral reasons generally aren't really interested in the kind of girl who would throw themselves at us for a night).

One approach among many possibilities. Probably not the approach you're looking for because (A) It does show lack of interest in the girl and (B) many people would see such a guy as a prude.

Oh well, I guess I'm just blabbering pointlessly at you.


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quote:
The most difficult part is that I sort of want to have the guy turn down the girl when she starts making advances but I don't want it to seem like he's not interested in her.

Seems like the easiest way to do it to me is do it from the guys POV, give internal monologue of him finding her attractive plus his motiviation for not accepting, and have the actual action be him putting some distance between them. To show his interest, I don't think you can completely eliminate the physical interest. Just don't get graphic with it in a blantantly sexual way, but rather focus on more sensual details. Examples: smell of her hair, noticing a soft touch by her on his arm, feeling like she's standing a bit too close.

I don't have any problem with a guy turning down sex. I personally don't even register a prude factor required, unless it fits the character. Men are not all sex fiends, anymore than all women are loose if they go for something they want sexually. Just give your characters motivations, and it will be believable. The way the situation is described, it seems like if could be a fairly subtle invitation on the girls part anyway, a promise of "there could be more to this," that the guy just isn't accepting at the moment.

[This message has been edited by GZ (edited August 09, 2004).]


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Yes, yes, yes. This is all very good and makes me happy to see everybody pointing at these things. Many of them have crossed my mind, unfortunately many things that wouldn't work have also crossed my mind and it's hard to sort the two apart. I feel much more confident about trying to write this particular part but since I don't think there is enough of this aspect explored in modern writing feel free to continue a more general discussion of it.

Particularly helpful was the comment that basically said, she can be offering something to him that he can turn down without having to lay on the coffee table and spread her legs in the air. :-)

Thanks,
Jon


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Does she have to know that he's actually attracted to her? If not, you could have it from his POV, have him completely reject her (even rudely?) and beat himself up about it later.
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Sometimes, guys want more than sex. I would think that most women wouldn't have trouble understanding this, since it is considered usual for a woman to want more than sex.

Of course, most guys want sex too. But if they want something more, the smart ones can figure things out.


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Yeah. I don't think Jon is having trouble with motivation for his characters, I think he was looking for ways to show it on the page. I suspect that the non-verbal dialogue that passes between them will be just as important as the internal thoughts and spoken dialogue.
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Have you considered moving the attraction and showing of it to physical actions?

Say the woman puts her hand on his.

He could allow the hand to stay, not acknowledging it in the conversation. Or he could move his hand back, and the speed and abruptness of the movement would have implications as well. My thought was he lets it sit for a few moments and slips it out to pick up a drink or food. Depending on the movements you point out, they can convey that she is interested. With a bit of thought, you could do it all without words....or tie the conversation to a finality when they go thier separate ways.

Just a thought.


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I think that even in a romantic relationship like the one you want to describe there would be some physical, read sexual tension. In fact, there would be more, because one of the chracters does NOT want to do it. Non-verbal cues are going to be very important, especially depending on the POV. If seen fro the female's point of view, she might see his hesitation through shifting eyes (yes, mayhap trite in some way, shifty eyes are done all the time, but also very true to life.) Or, see from the males POV, the embarrassment at rejecting a woman he likes could be shown through his own internal body cues. If he feels ashamed for rejecting her it's going to be a very powerful physical reaction within him. If he doesn't WANT to reject her, but feels he has to for some reason (religious, personal history of failed romances that drives him away from one that might) that inner conflist would also be reflected both internally and externally. The best way to express a non-physical romance is to treat it as though it MIGHT become one. That "might" is going to create a certain level of tension right there.

Although I am loathe to take examples from TV, let's look at the relation between Fox and Scully late in the X-files. There was never anything physical between them, but you could feel the increasing tension, especially when they were alone in a bedroom. Placing the scene in a bedroom (a character's, a motel room they are forced to share) places a great deal of tension. The readers are aware that the bed is *right there* and so do the characters. And contrary to popular belief, the best way to keep up that tension is to not have them fall in it. Not that sex is the only form of "physicality" in a relationship. A couple holding hands or kissing is just as emotionally intense as the act of love. Are your characters close enough to touch each other? They should be. Does the girl keep--unconsciously--reaching out for him, leaning toward him? Does he lean away, takes a step back to avoid her hand, or worse swats it away? There are many ways to show that she is attracted to him, and that he doesn't want the relationship to spiral away into something he wants to avoid, without resorting to blantant proposition. In fact, if the proposition is an unspoken promise, it only serves to heighten the tension.

Also, I tend to feel insulted when someone says that guys won't ever say no to sex. It's shallow, and blatantly untrue, and I do not mean because of moral or religious constraints, but because men are as much as women looking for companionship, not just sex. There is, however, a difference in relationships between men and women. Women generally want commitment before, men are generally more inclined to give it after. That does not mean the desire wasn't there to start with, but I think men tend to shield themselves emotionally more than women because of sociological concerns (my father was fond of the men don't cry BS) and sex is a way through that barrier. On that note, you also should show that the girl isn't just intersted is sex. Yes, women as much as men want it, can be as shallow as men about it, and it can be all they want. Doesyour femal character want a relationship, or just sex? if she wants a relationship, does the man mistake her advances thinking all she wants is sex? That is also a level to play on perhaps. The less each character knows about the motivations of the other, the more tension there is, especially if the reader is informed of the motivations in fact.

As far as trying to cushion the rejection blow for the female, I think you can show the reader that he means well, but the female is not really going to see that as well. We've all been rejected or have rejected, to know that "let's just be friends" and "it's not you, it's me", or any variation, is not going to soften the blow. It is only later (maybe) and with distance that we can get some understanding of what went wrong. In the instant, no matter how gentle he will be, she will feel the rejection. Not showing that distressing, nearly earth-shattering feeling depending on how deeply she feels for him, would feel unrealistic.

Of course there is always the danger of getting melodramatic in such a situation, especially in the dialogue. I think the key there is to limit the dialogue, to tone it down. Introduce silences (of the uneasy kind) pauses inside a sentence, sentences trailing off. The discomfort should be see in their behavior more than in their words.

Phew, long rant. In that mess above, I don't know what makes sense to you and what doesn't, but take the good, laugh at the bad, and write the story how it comes to you.


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