Given that there's quite a few writers on this board with pro-sales, I'm curious as to how many rejections it took to make that breakthrough for some of our more accomplished authors. If you managed to write a hugo-winning short story with a first story written in your primary school holidays, please feel free to ignore this post.
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I'd be curious to see rejection stats for a single project.
How many rejections on a single novel do people typically go through before finding something, for example? Or, how many rejections before you abandon a novel and start anew?
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I recieved well over a hundred rejections before getting my so far one and only not all that spectacular story sale. So definitely don't feel bad.
Persistence is very important in this pursuit, whatever your goals are.
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Not sure this is encouraging. But, then, I am a pessimist. Makes me feel like I've got years of rejections to go before I'm competing with these people. And I've been doing this for years already. *ducks head into hand* *sniffle*
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The links below are to archives of rejection letters received by an aspiring author in the UK with dsylexia. In his CV he details his sales record with two self-published novels. He claims one sold 250 out of 1000 printed and another sold 200 out of 250 printed. Several of the rejection letters are personal, most are form letters.
Dune by Frank Herbert – 13 rejections Harry Potter and the Philosopher’s Stone – 14 rejections Auntie Mame by Patrick Dennis – 17 rejections Jonathan Livingston Seagull Richard Bach – 18 rejections A Wrinkle in Time by Madeline L’Engle – 29 rejections Carrie by Stephen King – over 30 rejections Gone With the Wind by Margaret Mitchell – 38 rejections A Time to Kill by John Grisham – 45 rejections Louis L’Amour, author of over 100 western novels – over 300 rejections before publishing his first book John Creasy, author of 564 mystery novels – 743 rejections before publishing his first book Ray Bradbury, author of over 100 science fiction novels and stories – around 800 rejections before selling his first story
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I sold to a pro market with my very first submission.
In total to date I have received 29 acceptances and 202 rejections, which means I sell about 1 in 8 stories. I believe this is a little above average (1 in 10 is often quoted). However if I break the figures down to pro rate sales vs pro rate submissions, the percentage is much worse - I think it's in the region of 3% instead of 12.5%.
Pro writers get rejectons all the time. You just don't hear about it. Jay Lake (cited above) mentioned a year or so ago in response to a question I asked that he sold about 1 in 4 submissions, but that was including solicited submissions 9for anthologies, etc) - if he just looked at unsolicited subs his rate than was about 1 in 7. Not so far from mine, though of course he has a far higher proportion of pro sales than I do.
You will always get rejections. Over time, however, your rejections should be of the "close, but not quite" "it's not quite right forus, please try again" "i look forward to more of your work" type. When all your rejections are looking like that, then you know you can write, and all you need to do is find the right market for the right story.
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Look at it this way...I started writing seriously---that is, with the idea that I'd submit it and try to get somebody to publish it and pay me for doing so---back in 1975.
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Bloomsbury reportedly paid Ms. Rowling a £1,500 advance for Harry Potter and the Philospher's Stone. The first print run was only 500 copies, 300 hardback and 200 paperback, 300 of which Bloomsbury apparently gave to British school libraries, which naturally got it read by librarians, which brought it to the attention of critics and gained it recognition, rewards and prestige, which built up into a phenomenal sales record mostly from word of mouth. What a brilliant marketing strategy. But even after first novel publishing breakthrough, it would be a couple of years before Ms. Rowling was well and truly established and no longer living hand-to-mouth.
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Thanks for replying. Part of my reason for posting this was to give people the idea that the first (hundred) rejections isn't reason to give up. Mind you, you've stuffed up that one with your first submission/acceptance ;-)
Is there any stage where you thought you were finally "getting" it in terms of consistently hitting the minimum benchmark of "it's not quite right for us"? What do you think you did to hit that benchmark?
Bick - my point was that even if you are lucky enough to sell a pro story right off... that won't mean you stop gettign rejections. You'll get hundreds (assuming you submit hundreds of times) and you'll keep getting them.
I've reached th stage where some of the top-end semi-pro markets buy my work, others (and one pro market) might buy but will more likley reject while telling me how lovely the story is. Other pro markets, though, I still get standard form rejections. So although I've improved I am still not at the level I need to be.
What I did to improve was simple. I wrote, and I had my work critiqued, and I critiqued other people's work in turn. I have learned by doing all of these things, and would have learned less without doing any one of them. AAnd while the "first 13" here at Hatrack is useful, critiquing full stories is something I would strongly advise. I learned huge amounts about pacing, about scene transitions, about plot and structure, about dialogue... about everything, really, from looking at what other writers regard as their fully fledged stories, and seeing what worked (for me and others) and what didin't.
I hope I'm still learning, because if I'm not... I'm not going to get any better. And I am certainly not good enough.
I understand rejection is a constant companion of the writer and it's pretty clear from reading Jay Lake's blog (as well as my knowledge of local professional authors). Feel free to ignore the little dissertion below, I guess it's directed at everybody rather than you specifically. And Dero, I don't understand your post ;-)
My question was more about realisations that authors have about their own work they had along the way. For example, it took me a certain amount of time to realise that a lot of my protagonists were simply not sympathetic or likeable (and it still hasn't quite worked itself out in practice). Critiques were negative, but it took me a while to work out *what* the problem was because some critiques didn't always say that the negative protagonist was an issue, they just knew that something was wrong with the story.
In contrast, the realisation about overusing passive phrasing came in a snap after one critique. Simple to see for a third party and simple to illustrate. I guess I'm interested in how authors have learned about their own weaknesses and how they "saw the light" on any of their fatal flaws.
Regards,
Nick
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quote:I guess I'm interested in how authors have learned about their own weaknesses and how they "saw the light" on any of their fatal flaws.
I don't think they do, or, rather, I don't think we do. Not consistently.
There are always going to be flaws in any work. Authors either find readers willing to overlook them, or they mask/fix the flaws well enough in the beginning to get published.
I also think a good editor has a LOT to do with an author's success, too; helping the author overcome deficiencies, pointing out the flaws...
I think the more successful an author is, the more apt the author is to not worry about the flaws. But that may be a whole 'nother discussion.
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Here's a rejection letter that seems to have a widespread presence on the Net and elsewhere. I first encountered it in a writer's conference lecture several years ago. Perhaps one of the most politely worded but brutal rejections there's ever been. I'm skeptical that it's genuine though. It has hallmarks of a benevolent hoax.
"Rejection letter (Chinese economic journal) We have read your manuscript with boundless delight. If we were to publish your paper, it would be impossible for us to publish any work of lower standard. And as it is unthinkable that in the next thousand years we shall see its equal, we are, to our regret, compelled to return your divine composition, and to beg you a thousand times to overlook our short sight and timidity."
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That's quite a rejection, extrinsic. Did the shovel come attached to the letter, or was the writer expected to provide his own? Posts: 299 | Registered: Oct 2008
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