Did I say that I needed to have gods floating around in retelling of the Iliad? Am I blind? I do not see it there. For me, the Greek myths are about people (and gods). Peterson's Troy was about stupid fighting and Hollywood acting. I mean, if he wanted to make a movie just about THAT, I find it shameful to use just the names and some situations; it would be fair to invent them. If I want to have some fun with 21st century retelling of the Illiad, I will always prefer the originality of Dan Simons's "Ilion" to the Peterson's bore in his "Troy".
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Troy was apparently made for me, not for you. I found it brilliant - and marvelous in its evocation of another time and place. For Hollywood, it was extraordinary.
But if I wanted to do a serious film that depicted Greek life in various periods, I would go to the brilliant novels of Mary Renault and use THEM as my guideline.
What Troy succeeded in, for me, was being true to the FEEL of the epic. I believed that the deeds we saw on screen would have been remembered generation after generation, sung by poets.
You didn't say that you needed gods - you said the film wasn't faithful enough. I assumed that if faithfulness was the goal, the gods would stay in. Apparently faithfulness is NOT the goal - they just should have checked with you about what to leave in. Did I miss Cassandra and other major figures? Of course; I believe I even said so in my review.
But Troy being "stupid fighting and Hollywood acting." I'm really puzzled. The Iliad is full of noble heroic speeches that no real person would ever have uttered - it was the literary tradition at the time. How, exactly, should those speeches be delivered, except by Hollywood actors? Or did you simply want a cast of Brits? Or ... here's a thought ... Greeks speaking Greek! (The Aramaic worked in Passion of the Christ, right?)
And as I read the Iliad, most of it IS about fighting - either showing the fights, or talking about the fights afterward, or explaining what fights they want to have, or who's not going to fight any more, etc.
I'm still waiting to know what's REALLY wrong with Troy (since I think NOTHING is) - "stupid fighting and Hollywood acting" describes, oh, most of the top money-making movies of the past fifty years.
So I referred to Pleasantville and American Beauty twice. Sue me. Count the columns. Is twice out of nearly five years of weekly columns THAT often? Are people overburdened by that? They were socially vile and dishonest movies; I now regard them as icons of anti-traditional-culture propaganda by the extreme Left. So I'll refer to them that way. For what it's worth, most ordinary middle-class suburbanites who don't think of themselves as "movie experts" know exactly what I mean when I refer to them that way in conversation. When you're on the receiving end of Hollywood's smug, self-righteous social attacks, you remember and resent the films that do it.
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When I watched Troy I wasn't expecting a historically or mythically accurate reproduction of the Iliad, so I wasn't disappointed.
That said, one thing that I felt detracted from it was the way the characters repeatedly emphasised how important glory and legendary-status was to them. I thought it was repetitive or at least overemphasised, however important these things were to the cultures of Archaic Greece. It's a minor point, but it did reminded me of Star Trek scenes in which Klingons repeat their now long-cliched views on 'honour'.
Another thing that came to mind while watching the film was that one of the qualities that make the ancient Greeks so attractive to storytellers is their 'earthiness'. It's something that characters in a lot of American literature and film also share - take the cowboys in old Westerns, say. So when Hollywood actors try to portray this aspect of the Greeks on camera, it might come across as the encroachment of stereotypically American attitudes onto a Greek story. I think it added to the film makers' challenge of not appearing superficial. Once I thought about it, I was able to appreciate the film a bit more.
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If anyone is interested in good novels set in ancient Greece by the way, I recommend Valerio Massimo Manfredi's books. He is probably best known for his trilogy on Alexander.
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Wow! With so much OSC in this thread it is almost intimidating. I first read Ender's Game as a short story as a kid, what I remember from that experience was the twist at the end.
What I remember most from the Book was the courage OSC had to portray Child Ender's ruthlessness in killing the boy in the fight at the beginning. It is the realistic fact that in a time a crisis the government is looking for qualities that in gentler times they would consider criminal tendencies.
I think the movie is going to capture the first in what for the viewer will likely be a fake secret, everyone will know it is real long before it is done. The child killing though, it will not make the cut, and the story will suffer for it.
As for compressing the training into a single year, well they could show the young Ender being taken away and then do the 6 yrs later... thing as long as we are not expected to swallow the premise that all the needed training was done in a single year.
I think the movie can be very good, assuming Hollywood does not try to make it mock itself as they did Starship Troopers. I think it has every chance of being a classic, but I do not know if they can keep that element of 'looking for atavism for its survival value to the species' message that made the book so good.
'Ender will Save us' because he is brilliant, has fast reflexes and was born a ruthless calculating SOB. I fear he will come across as a Brilliant, Idealistic, Video Game Playing Dupe of the Government.
The clear message must be that the human race must do what it needs to in the face of extinction, not that we must watch the government to prevent them from exploiting the little darlings that children have never been.
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I also wonder how they will handle Stilson and Bonso's deaths. If the audience only learns about them as Ender did at the end, it might be okay. Or... maybe they will be successful in getting the viewer to wish they could kill the bullies.
Interweaving the story of Bean and Achilles might also clarify things. Or would you have them remove Poke's death as well?
One way would be for the fight to commence, then Ender's house is shown (it would have to have been introduced previously) with the cop car pulling up. You might think for a second that Ender was hurt or killed, except for the movie having just started.
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quote:Originally posted by Bean Counter: 'Ender will Save us' because he is brilliant, has fast reflexes and was born a ruthless calculating SOB. I fear he will come across as a Brilliant, Idealistic, Video Game Playing Dupe of the Government.
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That's an interesting question - have fist-fighting and killing among small children ever been on film before (outside of horror)? It would certainly disturb a few people, even if it was filmed in a milder way, and drive the viewer rating up.
Perhaps it's better to see the beginning of the fight and find out later that Ender actually killed his opponent, or find out about the whole thing when the IF comes to the Wiggin house to take Ender away?
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quote:Originally posted by Bean Counter: 'Ender will Save us' because he is brilliant, has fast reflexes and was born a ruthless calculating SOB. I fear he will come across as a Brilliant, Idealistic, Video Game Playing Dupe of the Government.
Am I the only one who thought: "Matrix"
Does anyone else picture Ender facing off with Stilson, the techno music cues. Ender puts on some badass shades and the camera pulls waaay out. NEOEnder commences asskicking.
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Too make the cost of attacking me so great that nobody ever attacks me again...
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It occurs to me that Ender was not suffering brutality at Peter's hand, he was suffering frustration. Peter was big enough and smart enough that Ender could not kill him to make him stop. Peter was not addicted to inflicting pain, he was addicted to courting danger. He knew that Ender would kill him if he could and so he pushed him without knowing why, courting his own destruction for the rush of risking death.
quote:Originally posted by Orson Scott Card: I'm still waiting to know what's REALLY wrong with Troy (since I think NOTHING is) - "stupid fighting and Hollywood acting" describes, oh, most of the top money-making movies of the past fifty years.
It clearly was nothing at all to do with trying to present any kind of accurate retelling of a classic story. That is, as you say completely pointless and boring.
Here's the thing I think bothered me: The movie said nothing to me. It was well acted, and well shot (though the music was terribly IMO), it just sort of floated around on an idie fixe about honor and history. That's fine, but the movie spent so much time looking classic and timeless, providing so many picturesque moments, that it never got around to telling me anything I didn't feel I knew better than the people who told the story to me.
In the end, Troy did nothing interesting beyond holding down the fort for the classic movie tradition. It wasn't BAD on any of the counts you defend, but it is hardly a step in any particularly inspiring creative direction. It's just another example (to me) of play-it-safenomics in Hollywood. As long as it makes money, who cares?
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Sounds like you might be taking issue with Homer, rather than Mr. Peterson. I've never read the book or seen the movie, but I've enough to know(?) that the story is basically a tale of larger-than-life-ness. If there is any deep meaning to be found, it maybe isn't so much inherent in the story as found extraneously in Homer's telling of it.
This is just baseless speculation for the sake of argument, but I have this thing where I'm like, right all the time, so it was still probably worth saying.
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"...of course they must be good looking to attract the young teenage girl audience."
And this is supposed to spoil the movie? Think again: as far as the characters in the books are described, most of them they are either good-looking or at least not decribed as not good-looking. Have a little faith. They won't cast actors only because of their looks. Beauty does not except talent, and action does not except quality, does it?
A propos action and special effects. I like The Matrix, only I wished I had never seen the second and third part of the Trilogy. I could have lived with the open end of the first one.
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quote:He knew that Ender would kill him if he could and so he pushed him without knowing why, courting his own destruction for the rush of risking death.
Peter tended to underestimate other people (his parents, Achilles...). I don't believe that he believed (before Stillson) that Ender would have the guts to kill another human being. Especially in contrast to his own personality, Ender was rather a wimp in Peter's eyes, wasn't he?
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I also don't think Peter saw Ender as capable of murder. I think that to Peter Ender was too weak to fully protect himself and maybe even a bit malleable, as he saw Valentine. Mostly though, as Peter admits later, his attitude towards Ender must have been borne out of jealousy.
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Since people are talking about Troy, I have to pitch in and say that the fighting really was intensely stupid. No, it isn't the kind of thing that matters to 99% of people who go to see movies (I mean, people go to see John Woo and...um, whatshisnamedammmitwhoever films). But if you know anything about melee combat, the action in Troy was just utterly stupid.
The other thing is that the bias against war and warriors is so hilarious as to be funny. I mean, look at the portrayal of Agamemnon, and compare that with the Agamemnon of the Illiad. Look at the portrayal of Hector compared to Paris. Look at Brad Pitt playing a peace loving Achilles. If you've spent time studying the behavior of fighting humans, you can't believe the actions of these characters for a moment, which is fine because the depiction of their fighting skills is merely hilarious.
And you know what? That bit where they show a pile of naked women (Achilles' conquest of the previous night) at the beginning of the film didn't earn points with my sensitive side. Particularly when I couldn't help but notice that they had digitally carved off the nipples of one of the women who happened to be 'cheated' the wrong way. It's not like I'm eager to see some stranger's nipples exposed, but doesn't removing them rather than simply reshooting the scene seem a little excessive to anyone else?
For me, that moment pretty much summed up the whole film. Yeah, pile of nude women...but to keep it "tasteful" they decided to desecrate at least one unfortunate (I didn't bother to check and see if anyone else got the same treatment) in an obvious and disgusting manner. Yuck.
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The people on Digg seem to mostly agree with what OSC had to say:
quote:I think the inclusion makes sense, both Ender and Bean had alot of internal motivation, something that is quite difficult for a movie to produce. If you have both characters as primary characters you can bring the motivations external, them communicating and the audience understanding it.
Just out of curiosity, is Discolada a Jatraquero?
Personally, I thought Troy was a horrid movie. On the other hand, A Perfect Storm was a great movie and it has a lot of similarities with Ender's Game (a crew learning to work together, facing impossible odds, a lot of characters with interesting back stories, etc).
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Thank you for your opinion. I agree with you on some levels, but just to provide some input here are my thoughts:
1. You are right. Wolfgang Peterson is yet to have his big movie and may remain that way for the rest of his life. But, maybe the big movie he needs is Ender's Game, maybe this movie will bring him fame. For now, it's only maybe.
2. This is OSC's biggest flaw, i think. Ender's Game and Shadow are too the same, yet too different to be the same movie. Card will have a tough time trying to get all the events or information into two or three hours, while keeping his audience entertained, showing all demensions of both books, and keeping the same storyline. Yet, the fact remains that Card is attempting to pull it off. My hat goes off to OSC.
3. You again are right. The movie has to be at least two hours long. Who says it can't be three and a half hours long.
4. Your opinion that this movie has too much hollywood is true. OSC needs to focus a little less on the action and more on the whole thinking part, to pull it off. Also, when you said they would need cute teenage actors to attract the teenage girl audience you are right, then again most of america thinks that way and Card would be right to pick good looking actors. Who wants to see a butt ugly Ender or Bean, when they are both described in the book as likable characters.
5. This movie will cost a big chunk of change, but then again, this is supposed to be a hollywood blockbuster isn't it? I think that the crew will be able to pull the movie off with a lot of special effects and good editing. This movie is intended to make a lot of money with the glitz and glamour of hollywood.
6. I agree, if Card wants this done right, he has to take it into his own hands. After all, being the author, you'd think he would have the best idea of how to portray it.
7. Wolfgang Peterson didn't do the best job in Troy, but he didn't exactly kill it either. I think that Peterson could pull it off, but it will take his best directing performance yet.
8. I agree. A 3D version would completely kill a movie that otherwise has a fantastic chance of becoming the best Sci-Fi movie ever. A 3D form would completely demolish Peterson's, Card's, and basically everyone who is involved with the making of this film's, reputation.
9. Here i must disagree. I think now could actually be the perfect time for the next great sci-fi film, there hasn't been a good one in a while. Also, The Matrix is one of the greatest movies, overall, of all time!
10. Finally, that is said. If Card is going to take anymore time on this movie, we'll all be on our deathbed's. Card needs to make this movie now, well, and with almost no flaws at all to live up to the expectations of his fans, including me.
CARD NEEDS TO MAKE A DECISION ON THIS MOVIE, that decision is to go full speed ahead and to not screw up this great story I have come to love. Do this movie right, or don't do it at all. Card, on behalf of all your remaining fans, please do not kill possibly the greatest science fiction story of all time. Do it right, or leave it be.
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Maybe animation for "Ender's Game" isn't a bad idea. Life action can be so clunky when it comes to highly imaginative fiction...
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If you watched the Oscars the year Das Boot was competing, you wouldn't be dissing Wolfgang Peterson. He was dominant in a way that only Life is Beautiful and Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon have been in the Foreign Film category since then. I watched the 9 hour director's cut and it was fantastic. (Das Boot was also a 14 hour miniseries on German TV, is how that came about - I'm also not sure if it was 9 hours. It didn't seem overly long). I also really liked The Perfect Storm. However, I had some issues with Air Force One. They may have been due to some personal problems I was having at the time, but I'm not curious enough to review it.
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woah Das Boot is 9 hours long!? nevah noticed.
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There are quite some versions of Das Boot with different lenghts. The film that most people have seen has 149min, the Director's Cut 210min, and the TV-mini series has 330min. A few years ago, I bought kind of a hybrid for my father - the series on video, but changed into a movie with 282min lenght. But I don't know if one of the two latter is available in English. Maybe with captions.
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quote:Originally posted by JoeNobody: The movie has to be at least two hours long. Who says it can't be three and a half hours long.
Probably the younger kids that the movie will be marketed to. It's a tricky audience that EG will have to reach out to, and it will likely put off many if it becomes LotR-length. Rings worked because it was so popular to begin with, and EG is not up to that level. Besides, a longer movie means less showings and less money in the long haul.
quote: OSC needs to focus a little less on the action and more on the whole thinking part, to pull it off. [/QB]
I'm sure everyone loves an audio/video medium where all people do is think and focus on philosophy. (Sorry for that jab.) The thing is, "thinking" movies are usually boring to at least half of the general audience, merely because they are not suited to the medium. Plus, I think you can't really get that in-depth intelligent discussion in a two-to-three hour movie. You can in a book, but not on the big screen. I don't think there should be no "thinking" elements to the movie, just that the action should have the majority.
quote: Also, when you said they would need cute teenage actors to attract the teenage girl audience you are right...
Coming from a teenage girl, let me say that in general we are not mindless hormone-filled dolts, and can appreciate a good movie without attractive teenage boys, thank you very much. Who would these teenagers be, by the way? I've heard that the cast is supposed to be around 9-12 years old, meaning many won't have reached the puberty stage. I say go for hot Battle School teachers, and attract the middle-aged woman audience...
quote: I agree. A 3D version would completely kill a movie that otherwise has a fantastic chance of becoming the best Sci-Fi movie ever. A 3D form would completely demolish Peterson's, Card's, and basically everyone who is involved with the making of this film's, reputation.
Amen to that!
quote: If Card is going to take anymore time on this movie, we'll all be on our deathbed's. Card needs to make this movie now, well, and with almost no flaws at all to live up to the expectations of his fans, including me.
What, does a major nuclear exchange start tomorrow? I have plenty of time to wait around as long as the movie gets "done right". I think the mistake would be to go "full speed ahead", as you suggest. Slow and steady wins the race--tortoises rule! Posts: 973 | Registered: Apr 2005
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quote:Originally posted by Bean Counter: I think it has every chance of being a classic, but I do not know if they can keep that element of 'looking for atavism for its survival value to the species' message that made the book so good.
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The clear message must be that the human race must do what it needs to in the face of extinction, not that we must watch the government to prevent them from exploiting the little darlings that children have never been.
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You saw what you wanted to see. I don't like movies with "clear messages." The brilliance of Ender's Game is that it didn't give you any easy answers. Both of the elements you referred to were certainly there, but there was no clear moral lesson. Frankly, I think the only worthwhile way to focus on moral issues is when you don't know the answer. Anything else isn't a story; it's a parable.
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All I know is that when Brad Pitt spryly (sp?) took down the giant dude at the beginning, I got the shivers. The pic far exceeded your average hollywood fare. I easily put it in Ridley Scott epic category.
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Personally I loved Troy. Certainly there were things that could have been done better about it, but it was a great film.
Especially I liked what they did with Hector and Achilles. Neither of them were really bad guys, or good guys. Achilles wanted out, not necessarily because he was a peace loving hippie, he wasn't, he had a glory issue. He needed to be immortalized in song for the rest of time, and he got what he wanted at the price of his life. At the same time, Hector is tragic. He loves his brother, loves his family, and has to fight for the sake of Troy, but he really doesn't want to either.
Neither of them are bad guys. And watching them fight is torture, because you know one of them is going to die, but you want them both to live. Personally I liked Hector better, and I thought Eric Bana did some amazing acting in that movie. Brad Pitt did what he had to do, but his acting was mostly composed of appearing emotionless, whereas Hector was rather fiery most of the time. And if you look at the writings of the time, warfare and battle was an obsession. Especially heroic warfare, one on one single combat, back during the time that the Trojan War depicts.
I haven't read the articles where OSC talks about Pleasantville, so I don't know what his problems are with that movie. I rather liked it. I think a lot of the dialogue is downright cheesy, and the whole thing is so flushed with warm fuzzies you could make sweaters for an army, but all in all the message is good, and Jeff Daniels is great. And the medium for portraying the message was fairly original (at least from what I've seen), so I liked it.
I have no illusions about EG the movie being the best thing ever made just because OSC is at the helm. I think he's a fantastic writer, and I think that if anyone is going to capture the important elements of the book and find a way to translate them into something visual, it'll be him. But not everything was meant to automatically be turned into a film, well, I don't actually think any of the greatest books were ever meant to be turned into film anyway. But some don't make the transition as easily. So much of EG, as OSC said, is an internalization, the thoughts and fears of children and adults, that it might not necessarily play out so well on the big screen.
In the end though, I'll be first in line to see it when it comes out, because I love Ender, and I think it's a great story. I can't imagine Card would let it be made, without thinking that it is worthy of the book he originally wrote, and I trust him enough to assume it's by far worth going to see. I think Card is the kind of writer who loves his own work, and his own characters enough to demand justice be done to them when transferring from book to movie. And it's that love of his own work that will get me to the theater as much as the content itself.
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I was dissapointed by Troy because at the end, I didn't care one way or the other what happens to any of the characters. I felt no sympathy for any of them, and thought they were all stupid and motivated by either greed or lust or glory-seeking. I would have liked it if all of them had died- but that isn't the story.
I can certainly see what people respond well to in the movie, but I can most definetly see ways that it could have been made much better. On the whole, the characters are all just so unlikeable that the movie would have sunk if everything else had gone right. Not everything else was done exactly right, but it is one of those movies where there is nothing that was done shoddily... it just feels generally uninspired, and there is nothing to catch your eye or imagination. The movie basically feels tired and boring from the first scene.
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P.S. really random, but have any of you heard "Under My Skin" by Avril Lavigne? really reminds me of EG.
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I feel bad when people use "retarded" as a slur. But then, I accidentally said it (about myself) in front of my brother, whose daughter has Down's syndrome and then I felt really... narcissistic.
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If you've noticed, David Benioff (same guy behind Troy) is working on the screenplay as well. Normally I would throw my hands in the air and shout obscenities, but I noticed that he worked on The Kite Runner. If that movie is not amazing, you can personally kick me in the face.
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quote: Please Mr. Card, get a real screenwriter and stop pretending like you actually know how to write a decent screenplay
Orson Scott Card was an established and successful playwright long before his success in science fiction.
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quote: Yeah, it was definitely tragic all right and the only weeping I saw or heard at the theater were hundreds of girls crying at seeing Brad Pitt’s half naked body and hundreds of men crying at seeing Brad Pitt’s half naked body. Yeah I guess Peterson didn’t sell out when signed a whole cast of eye candy to fill his movie.
Whole cast? Ajax, NOT eye candy Agamemnon, NOT eye candy Boagrius, NOT eye candy Menelaus, NOT eye candy Priam, NOT eye candy (Any more anyway)
You are eternally bad at this game.
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quote:Orson Scott Card was an established and successful playwright long before his success in science fiction.
First off, i believe there are differences between a script and a screenplay. This i agree with that OSC should hire a professional to write a screenplay, if not to use to at least see how someone else who did not write the books put it into a movie.
becides that MAGIC RAT YOU ARE WRONG!!!!!
Bean has a really important role and it changes your thoughts on Enders Game if you know about Beans role. 99% of movies have a good amount of special effects cause special effects can be anything from an entire CG world to just a single matte shot with people in a car.
I dont even have the patients to comment on how wrong the rest is
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The best thing about Ender's Game The Movie is that it means at some point in the future, there will likely be a game called "Ender's Game: The Movie: The Game" and the idea of a title like that makes me chuckle a lot.
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lol i havent thought of the fact that the title would be ****ed up for the game
hopefully like i mentioned in the topic i started the game will be good, cause it can be if its done correctly
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The key is to NOT make a movie. OSC needs to take the risk to make the first multiple season cable show to give a book nearly word for word fidelity, and I don't mean Sci-Fi, I mean HBO, huge production, perhaps Ender's Game and Enders' Shadow produced and released in parallel. This could lead to HUGE DVD sales that would make movie sales seem pale by comparison ($10 movie ticket + $15 dvd vs. 5 times $50 dvd season set) and I would even prepay for these DVDs in order to fund the production (another idea that needs to be picked up by someone). This is the first sci-fi book to recieve props from the regular lit community (I see college anthologies of the future containing Huckleberry Finn, The Metamorphasis, and Ender's Game) and it deserves more than a film. I don't mean a mere mini-series (I think three huge movies ala Lord of the Rings & Matrix would be better than that), I mean full series on a cable channel that wouldn't be afraid of OSC's vision. And not to disappoint anyone, but OSC is on record as saying there will be several games coming out of the movie: http://news.filefront.com/gaming-todays-exclusive-interview-with-author-orson-scott-card/Posts: 2 | Registered: Jan 2008
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quote:Originally posted by sadar7: The key is to NOT make a movie. OSC needs to take the risk to make the first multiple season cable show to give a book nearly word for word fidelity, and I don't mean Sci-Fi, I mean HBO, huge production, perhaps Ender's Game and Enders' Shadow produced and released in parallel. This could lead to HUGE DVD sales that would make movie sales seem pale by comparison ($10 movie ticket + $15 dvd vs. 5 times $50 dvd season set) and I would even prepay for these DVDs in order to fund the production (another idea that needs to be picked up by someone). This is the first sci-fi book to recieve props from the regular lit community (I see college anthologies of the future containing Huckleberry Finn, The Metamorphasis, and Ender's Game) and it deserves more than a film. I don't mean a mere mini-series (I think three huge movies ala Lord of the Rings & Matrix would be better than that), I mean full series on a cable channel that wouldn't be afraid of OSC's vision. And not to disappoint anyone, but OSC is on record as saying there will be several games coming out of the movie: http://news.filefront.com/gaming-todays-exclusive-interview-with-author-orson-scott-card/
Been preaching something similar since I registered in 04. Amen.
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quote:Originally posted by sadar7: This is the first sci-fi book to recieve props from the regular lit community
It isn't, actually. Kurt Vonnegut's work might be a contender, as might Ursula K. LeGuin's. Or Samuel R. Delaney's. Or John Brunner's. It's entirely likely that I'm spacing off an earlier author who has received praise from the lit-fic crowd.
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Philip K. Dick would be in there, as would Heinlein. I think the earliest, though, might be Verne.
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This movie will be well hated by many and praised by a whole other bunch. We can't expect it to be the same as the books. I, for one, got very excited to know that the story of Ender's Shadow would be incorporated into the script, as it is one of my ever favorite books, I like it even more than Ender's game, but that's just me.
My believes are that there's no better man to write the screenplay than Mr. Card, he is the one who knows the character by heart, and someone else wouldn't be completely successful at portraying his/her own vision of them all into a new movie. It all goes down to concept and creativity. The only thing we can do, though, is hope they won't ruin it, but I trust Mr. Card.
After all, Serenity IS the best sci-fi movie of the decade...
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(Sorry for that jab.) The thing is, "thinking" movies are usually boring to at least half of the general audience, merely because they are not suited to the medium. Plus, I think you can't really get that in-depth intelligent discussion in a two-to-three hour movie. You can in a book, but not on the big screen. I don't think there should be no "thinking" elements to the movie, just that the action should have the majority.![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
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I have plenty of time to wait around as long as the movie gets "done right". I think the mistake would be to go "full speed ahead", as you suggest. Slow and steady wins the race--tortoises rule! ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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