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Zemra
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I was wondering how much information you guys might have on this symphany. I am looking to find out reasons why he wrote it and some of the circumstances that lead to his writing of it. How some of the Social and Political factors might have effected the writing and production. The people that were ivolved with the production or influenced it. Any elements of the piece you can give tips on. Also if you have any resourses that you have for websites or books. I am mostly looking for information on the first and second movements.
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Trying to get the forum to do your homework, are you?
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fugu13
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*uses crystal ball*

"I see . . . a homework assignment"

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fugu13
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Clearly our clairvoyance is linked, mph
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Portabello
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I put a wire tap in your crystal ball.
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TomDavidson
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I'm assuming this is homework? Because I'd hate to lie to you, only to have you hand it in. [Smile]

[ April 13, 2005, 02:42 PM: Message edited by: TomDavidson ]

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Noemon
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I'd feel much more willing (well, maybe not, but at least not so irritated) if they just came right out and *said* "I've got this homework assignment and I don't even know where to start."

When it's posed like this, or as it is in Sid Meier's Taiwan vs China thread, it just feels like they're trying to pull one over on us.

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Teshi
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Try www.wikipedia.org. It has an article that the forum won't let me link to.

Where have you looked? Have you been to your local library? This sounds suspiciously like a "do my research for me" type request. It took me about ten secons to find the wikipedia article.

You should go to your local library; if you're at school, your school library. There will be a book on Beethoven and it might help you with your project. I'm pretty sure there are some excellent websties out there, too.

[ April 13, 2005, 02:45 PM: Message edited by: Teshi ]

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Ryoko
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Well, just to get started:

Some interesting stuff about the famous opening:

Ask 10 musicians exactly who plays in the famous opening bars and you'll often get 10 different answers. I've heard everything from Tutti to Tympani and lots in between.

(The answer: Strings and Clarinets)

Then, there is the tidbit of the 4th and 5th measures: why not just put a fermata on the 4th measure like he does in the 2nd measure? Does Beethoven mean for the fermata to last exactly as long in the 2nd measure as in the 5th measure with the addition of an additional beat? Or is there some other reason? Lots of different interpretations on that one.

...more later...

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I think it was clearly influenced by its production against the backdrop of World War Two. You can practically hear the march of war.
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Ryoko
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Re: Orchestration

The 5th is Beethoven's first symphony to employ Trombones. (Also Piccolo and Contrabassoon)

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Ryoko
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That's mean Fugu. But pretty funny...lol

[ROFL]

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Teshi
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quote:
[Ford Prefect] Look. There's a whole world you know nothing about. Now listen. How about this ...? Dah dah dah DUM!(he hums Beethoven's Fifth) Doesn't that stir anything in you?

[Vogon Guard] No. Bye. I'll tell my aunt what you said.

[CLANG!]

[Ford Prefect] Potentially bright lad, I thought.

[Vogon Guard] (He hums Beethoven's Fifth) Nah!


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Ryoko
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The premiere of the 5th was part of a rather gargantuan concert that included:

5th Symphony
6th Symphony (Pastoral)
4th Piano Concerto
an Aria and 2 excerpts from the Mass in C
a Piano improvisation by Beethoven
The Choral Fantasy

They probably needed to serve dinner and breakfast after all that...jeesh..

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Speed
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quote:
The 5th is Beethoven's first symphony to employ Trombones. (Also Piccolo and Contrabassoon)
It's also his first symphony to use Ondes Martenot, Moog Organ and Theremin. Make sure you put that in your report.
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Speed
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One other historical tidbit: It was originally composed as a soundtrack to Yojimbo. But when Kurosawa turned it down for not sounding Japanese enough, Beethoven cut it up into these things he called "movements" and released it as an album on the Death Row label. It was Beethoven's first platinum hit, thanks in part to its constant MTV exposure.

[ April 13, 2005, 03:29 PM: Message edited by: Speed ]

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Steev
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[ROFL]
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no. 6
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Didn't Beethoven get a sex-change operation?
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Ryoko
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Yes, I believe that is what caused him to go deaf.
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Belle
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I actually had to check for a minute and make sure I didn't register an alter-ego and sleep post. I'm in music appreciation this semester and Beethoven's Fifth is one of our listening examples that we have to write up.

I don't think I posted it though, I already had pretty good notes on what I wanted to write.

:worries: you don't think I have a split posting personality and this really is me, do you? [Angst]

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Yozhik
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Ninth Symphony is better.
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Speed
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Oh, yeah?

Twelfth Symphony is better.

Beat that!

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no. 6
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Seriously, a Joey Ramone quote:

quote:
Beethoven is the heaviest of metals.

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The Rabbit
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I'm not sure why anyone would post at Hatrack for this sort of thing. Google is faster and more reliable.
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ChaosTheory
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Hey since some of us are just mooching homework help off of others can anyone help me find a rhyme for "Abraham Lincoln Brigade" I have to write a ballad about them and am having a hard time with some of the rhyming and sound.
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Megan
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When you turn in your assignment, make sure symphony is spelled with an o, not an a. [Big Grin]
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Teshi
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Chaos Theory, I use RhymeZone when I need a rhyme. [Smile]
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ChaosTheory
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Thank you Thank you Thank you Teshi! [Big Grin]
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Speed
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Hey, as long as we're on the topic, I was having a debate with my neighbor or something... and I was just wondering, out of idle curiosity, how you'd answer this. It'll help me, like, win a bet or satisfy my curiosity or something.
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Teshi
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You're welcome [Smile] .

You can find almost everything on the internet: Detailed information, rhyming dictionaries, word etymology, old texts, anything. Just search [Smile] .

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The Rabbit
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The Abraham Lincoln Brigade
Ate spam while they sat in the shade.
I'm thinkin' that they might have prayed,
But Madame, that's just too cliched.

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Allegra
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This is about the time where he was realizing that he was going deaf.I have heard that the main theme that starts the 1st movement is supposed to be fate knocking on the door.
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