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katharina
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...and I don't want a t-shirt. You know the style?

My problem with the sites like "Modest Prom Dresses" is that all the dresses look alike, and I don't even particularly like how it looks. Like this. They all have the exact same neckline! Aren't there alternatives that don't base the top on a tight t-shirt?

I'd rather not wear a shawl or shrug or something like that, although if there is a very, very cute one and a good top for underneath, it might be okay. Maybe a sort of bolero jacket with something interesting underneath.

I went shopping for one on Saturday, but I couldn't find anything that wasn't either immodest or meant for my grandmother. [Cry] Any ideas?

[ July 28, 2005, 10:49 AM: Message edited by: katharina ]

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TomDavidson
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Why not be slightly immodest?
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katharina
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It's impossible for me to be.

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There has to be a cute source. Surely there are enough designers out in the world that someone can come up with something cute that would cover my shoulders.

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They actually have a web site named Mormon Chic ? I don't know why I find that amusing. I actually like some of their items there quite a bit.

Sorry I can't help, Kat. I'm horrible at anything to do with clothes (which you can probably tell from meeting me). But Ivygirl is good at this kind of thing, and I see if she has any input.

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quote:
Originally posted by TomDavidson:
Why not be slightly immodest?

Would you suggest that Rivka simply go to a formal event without her head covering? For Kat, keeping her shoulders covered is a religious observance and something not to be caste aside for at a whim.

[ July 26, 2005, 02:06 PM: Message edited by: The Rabbit ]

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Katarain
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Alfred Sung Designs

Nevermind.. that comes up first on a google search, and I'm sure you've seen it. Will keep looking.

-Katarain

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What about a shawl over a sleeveless top?
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Speaking of Rivka, I bet she has a good source for modest tops. She seems pretty stylish.
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I think this would go really nice: hat
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Would you consider something like
this or this

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Katarain
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How about a nice short formal jacket to go over a spaghetti strap top?
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Ah. I didn't realize that immodest was defined as "baring the shoulder." Sorry.
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katharina
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Oh, Rabbit, I love the lacy top. It would be perfect if they had it in black. My skirt is very dark royal blue, made of that material that looks blue from one angle and almost black at another angle.

The short formal jacket might work with a sleeveless top, but the top underneath still couldn't have spaghetti straps. I tend not to want jacket/sleeveless combo because then I can't take off the jacket ever.

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http://www.eaststore.com/cart.php?target=product&product_id=194&category_id=1
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katharina
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Ooohh....what do y'all think of this?

Kama, that's really beautiful. I wonder how it would look on me.

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Probably not formal enough, but only $13.

Much more expensive classic twinset

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So far the one I like the most is the one you linked to last, kat.
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I think you'd look good in that top that Kama linked to kat. It's probably my favorite of the things that have been linked to so far.
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katharina
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I really like the top. My concern is that it says it is navy, and my skirt is more of a royal blue. I've also noticed that many Chinese designs are meant for women with slightly smaller porportions than mine. It could still really work, but I think I'd need to try it on just in case.

I love the one from Nordstroms, but it's clearance which means it has the size larger and the size smaller, but not my size. Which would be better to get?

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What are your requirements for the top, Kat? (still trying to get my head around what would work)

No spaghetti straps, but would wider straps be okay? Or should there be "caps" over the shoulders at the very least?

How low of a neckline are you comfortable with in the front? (Neck only, down to collarbones, down to cleavage, down to deep cleavage?) How deep are you comfortable with in the back?

Are you comfy with showing belly/lower back skin, or are you trying to avoid that?

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Larger. Especially since Nordstroms shirts are sometimes a wee bit smaller than you'd expect.

And you can always pin it.

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CT, she needs cap sleeves, down to collarbones or a little lower, no belly or back skin.
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I like the one from Nordstrom's and the Mandarin style one Kama linked best.

The point with finding a top to wear with your skirt is not to find one to "match" it. That would, likely, be frustratingly impossible. You're trying to find something to "coordinate" with it. In the case of mail order, that will be difficult since you can't hold the two fabrics in your hands to compare them. Too bad you can't go into a store (and take your skirt in with you) to look at the two of these.

If you can't get your size of shirt, buy the larger size and have it altered. You don't want to be wearing a shirt that is too small.

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katharina
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It needs to cover my shoulders, have cap sleeves at least, and cover the top of my cleavage. That's basically no cleavage, although I have several v-neck shirts that I've added a small piece of material to and they are fine. In the back, down to about three inches above the bra strap. No skin showing around my middle.

The Nordstrom one I linked is probably a little low, but that can be easily fixed. My favorite little black dress had sheer sleeves, but worked when Coccinelle added black cap sleeves to it underneath.

Good point about Nordstrom's sizes, kq. I wonder if there's a Nordstrom's around here that might have it, although maybe not since it is on clearance.

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I love period clothing... you say ball gown, I think Southern Belles... and I love medieval and renaissance dresses.

Have you considered looking for those types of styles? Think Gone with the Wind... or the bodices people where to Renaissance Faires. (They don't HAVE to show cleavage.)

-Katarain

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katharina
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Katarain, I would LOVE that, actually. The event is mostly a joke, so something over-the-top would be perfect. Maybe there's a costume shop somewhere in Dallas where I could get one for the night?

Added: *scowl* In the size larger, it only comes in Aqua. So that won't work. *googles Nordstrom locations in the metroplex*

[ July 26, 2005, 03:06 PM: Message edited by: katharina ]

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quote:
The Nordstrom one I linked is probably a little low, but that can be easily fixed. My favorite little black dress had sheer sleeves, but worked when Coccinelle added black cap sleeves to it underneath.
That makes sense. I'll keep looking on my own, too. Good luck!

PS: what fabrics would you prefer?

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Anything, I'd think. The skirt is rustly and stiff, but the top could be anything.

This is kind of fun, looking for a top. It's frustrating, but I'm going to sites I never go to. There's some nice web design out there.

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I'd suggest hitting some resale or consignment shops, you can often find some really neat formal separates at those... can be a bit time-consuming though.
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Yeah, time is kind of a factor. I don't have a free night until next Tuesday, a week from today.
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It would be cool if you could take a photo of yourself wearing the skirt, the open it in PhotoShop and "try on" different blouses by pasting images from all these other sites to see how they looked with it.

...like changing clothes on those old cut-out dolls we had as kids...

FG

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black top

similar black top

(both would need caps under the georgette)

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kinda dressed-up white (also in black) tee

another dressed-up black tee ($13.99)

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white satiny short-sleeve

light yellow shell with silk knit built-in small shawl (I like yellow with both black and blue, depending on the tones)

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Ivory with solid ruched caps and 3/4 length georgette sleeves (prettier than expected on close-up, and frou-frou is detachable)

Edit: Y'know, it's amazing how excited designers are about women showing their shoulders. Much harder to find cute covered shoulders than a relatively modest neckline.

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Wait a minute - if your skirt is dark blue, why on earth would you want a black top? Where's Mrs.M when you need her?

Why can't you wear the aqua top with your skirt? That's the color I'd thought you were looking at....

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or pink. or brown.
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I'd actually also go along w/ the suggestion of a non black top. I think a white one would probably lend a lot of contrast. Do you have a picture of the skirt?
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katharina
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I can't find a picture of a skirt like it. I've had it for several years, and while I usually wore it with a tight black t-shirt, I don't have one at the moment and that never really looked right. It's definitely blue/black, though, depending on where the light goes. It's more royal blue than navy, and there's netting underneath it to make it stand out a little.

I really, really love the white blouse with the georgette sleeves that CT linked to. Would that look okay with a blue/black skirt? I couldn't wear my black silk heels, but maybe I could get some silvery/sparkly shoes to go with it.

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I really, really love the white blouse with the georgette sleeves that CT linked to. Would that look okay with a blue/black skirt?
I would pick white or off-white as my top choice. It is a classic look.

see, e.g., this from Victorian Trading

Edit: and I don't think that would rule out your black silk heels, especially if there is a black cast to the skirt in certain lights, but perhaps you should run it past Mrs. M first.

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Cost for that top would be $23.99 plus shipping. Shipping ranges from $6.95 (flat rate for 9-11 days delivery after you place order) to $14.95 + $1.95/lb for delivery 2-3 days after you place the order. I doubt there is tax, although there might be.
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I do really love that top.
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Y'know, it's amazing how excited designers are about women showing their shoulders. Much harder to find cute covered shoulders than a relatively modest neckline.
It's because models are skinny, and skinny people usually have flat chests. If you have a flat chest, cleavage is a lot less attractive, and shoulders are more attractive. Actually, for very skinny women, showing off shoulders is considerably sexier than showing off the space where there isn't much - that's just disappointing.

If you look at all the ruffled and gathered t-shirt styles, they are almost ALL designed to make someone who is flat look like they have curves. The women who actually have curves can't wear those clothes unless they want to look like a can-can dancer. Most of the strappy tops look considerably more scandalous on someone with C or D cups than on someone with A or B cups.

Women who have big breasts also often have more rounded upper arms, so the sleeveless styles are a lot less flattering. What this means is that the majority of clothes are literally designed so they will look bad on non-flat, non-rail-thin women.

It's not just a matter of finding something in an appropriate size, but finding something that shows off your body to its best advantage. I realized this again after going downtown on Saturday: Girls, just because they make it in your size, that does NOT mean you should wear it.

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I love the blouse on the Victorian trading link. Or, from the same site,

This in black

or

Expensive, but beautiful

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The women who actually have curves can't wear those clothes unless they want to look like a can-can dancer. Most of the strappy tops look considerably more scandalous on someone with C or D cups than on someone with A or B cups.
I hear you.

Kat, is the blue-black material something like in this walkway shot? (I love it with the yellow in that shot, BTW -- like this [Smile] )

quote:
Women who have big breasts also often have more rounded upper arms, so the sleeveless styles are a lot less flattering. What this means is that the majority of clothes are literally designed so they will look bad on non-flat, non-rail-thin women.
I am working on my thighs and my upper arms. The arms are by far the more difficult for me to tone. I want to have Terminator 2 Linda Hamilton arms. [Big Grin]

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It's not just a matter of finding something in an appropriate size, but finding something that shows off your body to its best advantage. I realized this again after going downtown on Saturday: Girls, just because they make it in your size, that does NOT mean you should wear it.
Word.
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Hmm...The top only comes in small and medium. I'm not sure that would work - I wear either a 10 or 12 on top right now, and mediums sometime, but only in the stretchy tight shirts.

CT: I think it's a little bit lighter than in that short - it's hard to explain. It's a shimmery material, but it's very definitely blue, even from a distance. It's not dark enough to be mistaken for black, but it's not pastel. It's more like a richer, darker electric blue.

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Oh, ratfinks. Hmmm.
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The white gorgette top would be fine with a blue/black skirt. [Smile] Now to find you something similar in your size!

Isn't trying to find clothes fun! [Evil]

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Medium in misses fits size 8-10, which is bust 35-36". Large is 12-14, or bust 37.5-39".

There were other cool tops with georgette sleeves at that site, but none of them had caps. You'd have to add caps under the georgette.

(*going back to work, but verrry glad you liked it [Smile] )

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This is fun. I googled the name of the shirt in hopes of finding it in a large somewhere else on the web, but the first two pages of links all led eventually back to the original site. [Frown] We are back to the problem of a chest that doesn't match the shirt.

Although, that dress that Rabbit linked to with the white lace top? That white lace top would be very good. It's attached to the dress in Rabbit's link, but maybe there's another version out there like it.

Or maybe I could get the dress and cut the skirt off. *thinks* That is a sort of expensive option.

CT, thank you so much for the links. There is much food for thought there, and I'd never seen that site before. I (meaning Coccinelle after I beg and bribe her) can add sleeves to tops with Georgette sleeves. There was that one with the beading and embroidery ont he bottom.

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I like the following, but I wish it had short sleeves. And was 1/3 the price. [Razz]

http://store.nordstrom.com/product/product.asp?styleid=2863871&cm_ven=bizrate&cm_cat=datafeed&cm_pla=tops:women:blouse%2ftop&cm_ite=mk_solo_%27joley%27_taffeta_blouse:153559&d t=07- 25-05

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