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Well, Eros is indicating the women he was referring to are not the ladies in this shot. He hasn't said what he thinks of these ladies. Oh, I said this before I saw his last post.
Isn't there a difference between "attractive" and "attracted to"?
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I have to admit that most of those women are not atractive, although this, ironicly, has more to do with their skin than their size (many of them look like they have had too many sun-bathing sessions.)
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Most of the world is not Scandinavian, thank you very much, but people who are, in fact, of Northern European descent need to take steps to preserve their skin. I am currently ashen white even though this is South Texas in July. Too many days spent outside with less than enough sunscreen will probably scar me, but less than many of these women.
Let me rephrase this: the natural skin color of people of German, Scandanavian and British descent is creamy white, not red or tan.
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quote:Call it what you want, but I'm attracted primarily to height-weight proportional women. Now that I think about it, I've never gone out (or whatever) with anyone larger than a size...6?
quote:Partly because of where I grew up (Hawaii, with its ridiculously high Asian American pop density), I'm typically much more attracted to east Asian features.
There is nothing wrong with saying "I am generally more attracted to really thin women" or "I am generally more attracted to women with East Asian features."
There is something, well, maybe not wrong, but certainly sad, when you say "I am incapable of being attracted to women who are not extremely thin" or "I am incapable of being attracted to women who do not have East Asian features."
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I'll put in my vote for number five being pretty close to natural skin color, because I am naturally that color sans sun.
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I am almost completely of British Isle and Scandanavian descent, and the skin color of my arms and face (the parts that get sun when I'm outside) are closest to the last one.
The parts of my body which never get the sun are white white white like #4.
I never suntan. The sun I get is from working in the garden, mowing the lawn, riding my bicycle, and the like.
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Everyone should also realize that if eros is primarily attracted to East Asian women, and grew up in Hawaii, the women he grew up with are probably very peite. So when he's saying a size 6, on a woman who's 5'2" or 5'3", that's a lot different than on a 5'6" (Me!) or 5'10" woman. A 5'10" woman who's a size 6 is really thin. When I've been size 6, I've been firmly on the skinny side of normal, but not model slim. A 5'2" woman who's size 6, while still slender, is much closer to "normal." And if that's the kind of woman he's attracted to, I'm not surprised that none of the women in the ad are particularly attractive to him.
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Oh, I know. But I do enjoy spectating more than participating, I think. It's a lot less rigorous.
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quote:Honestly, if you are incapable of finding any of those women attractive, there's something wrong with you.
quote:There is something wrong when you say "I am incapable of being attracted to women who are not extremely thin" or "I am incapable of being attracted to women who do not have East Asian features."
Who appointed you the authority to determine what is and is not wrong with someone?
People have different tastes. Some people are incapable of being attracted to individuals of a certain race. Or a certain gender. Or a certain hair color. Or a certain height. Or thousands of other reasons.
If he likes thin women, that's his choice, and quite frankly it's none of your business.
I can't relate to his tastes, as at least two or three of those women I find attractive (possibly four). But I certainly can't tell him there's something wrong with him.
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quote:Originally posted by mr_porteiro_head: Those women do not appear "large" to me. They appear to be normal sized people instead of model sized people.
Honestly, if you are incapable of finding any of those women attractive, there's something wrong with you.
Seconded. In fact, I think these are very attractive women, just not stick figures. Were I single, I'd hit it.
Eros, man, I'd rethink your perspective on women, or you're going to be very unhappy when your wife hits thirty.
Out of curiousity, did either of you read my response to kmbboots, wherein I explained why I'm not attracted to these women?
It sure doesn't sound like it. I'd appreciate you reading what I posted about my reasoning before you make horribly incorrect assumptions about it.
Whoa, fella, I meant it as banter. But if you want to take it point by point, I don't think it was unreasonable for me to believe you didn't find these women attractive:
quote:1) Like I said, the ad is purely cosmetic. It takes a pretty significant amount of physical beauty to get me to label you as attractive if I have nothing else to judge you by.
2) Call it what you want, but I'm attracted primarily to height-weight proportional women. Now that I think about it, I've never gone out (or whatever) with anyone larger than a size...6? Before anyone asks; no, this isn't a conscious choice.
3) I'm young, and I'm much more easily attracted to people my age; the people in the ad ranged from my age to what appeared to be their 60's.
4) Partly because of where I grew up (Hawaii, with its ridiculously high Asian American pop density), I'm typically much more attracted to east Asian features.
1) I'd say this is a significant amount of physical beauty. I'm pretty sure our tastes differ, but even if neither of us have girlfriends who look like these women, surely we can acknowledge that they're very pretty?
2) Proportional != tiny. These women are definitely proportional, just not compact -- they're certainly not grossly overweight or large.
3) I don't know how old you are, but these women look to range from 20's-30's. I don't think age is an issue here.
4) No problem if you're attracted to East Asian features -- I prefer darker skin, myself, and nobody'll criticize either of us for our own tastes. But though I'm strongly attracted to dark-skinned women, I'm perfectly capable of acknowledging the pale honey in the middle's pretty hot.
That said, heh, I'll stop harassing you -- I didn't know you were touchy on the subject, and I didn't mean to make you uncomfortable. And there's no way I'd question your taste -- I hear there are women (and prison cellmates) out there who find even Frisco attractive, and whatever tastes you have are nothing to these people's depravity.
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Edit: This is eros, I'm on Squish's computer and forgot she was logged in.
quote:There is nothing wrong with saying "I am generally more attracted to really thin women" or "I am generally more attracted to women with East Asian features."
There is something, well, maybe not wrong, but certainly sad, when you say "I am incapable of being attracted to women who are not extremely thin" or "I am incapable of being attracted to women who do not have East Asian features."
Good thing I didn't say that then, ne?
quote:2) Proportional != tiny. These women are definitely proportional, just not compact -- they're certainly not grossly overweight or large.
Well, proportional is a purely subjective term, but if you want to treat it objectively, we can refer to our good 'ol pal the BMI, which indicates a woman 5'6" with B cup breasts and a size 6 body is obese.
quote:3) I don't know how old you are, but these women look to range from 20's-30's. I don't think age is an issue here.
I've mentioned twice in posts between the one I directed you to and this one in which I indicated that the women I saw included women in their 40s and a woman who was at least 60.
quote:4) No problem if you're attracted to East Asian features -- I prefer darker skin, myself, and nobody'll criticize either of us for our own tastes. But though I'm strongly attracted to dark-skinned women, I'm perfectly capable of acknowledging the pale honey in the middle's pretty hot.
The combination (where applicable) is why I do not find these women attractive. Maybe I should be clearer: just because I find them unattractive doesn't mean I think they're ugly or fat, I'm just not attracted to them.
quote:That said, heh, I'll stop harassing you -- I didn't know you were touchy on the subject,
I'm not, and I understand you were trying to be funny so I'm sorry I reacted how I did, but this:
quote:Eros, man, I'd rethink your perspective on women, or you're going to be very unhappy when your wife hits thirty.
Is not funny. Or at least, I don't find it so.
quote:And there's no way I'd question your taste -- I hear there are women (and prison cellmates) out there who find even Frisco attractive, and whatever tastes you have are nothing to these people's depravity.
See, by the time I'd started posting with any sort of frequency here roughly a year ago, Frisco barely posted anymore, but was mentioned in a thread that I can't remember anymore, so all I can think of when I think of who Frisco is is ketchupqueen fantasizing about him with grapeseed oil.
And those tassle pictures. Oi.
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quote:Originally posted by Squish: Well, proportional is a purely subjective term, but if you want to treat it objectively, we can refer to our good 'ol pal the BMI, which indicates a woman 5'6" with B cup breasts and a size 6 body is obese.
I'd like to see you provide proof for this claim.
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quote:Originally posted by Squish: Well, proportional is a purely subjective term, but if you want to treat it objectively, we can refer to our good 'ol pal the BMI, which indicates a woman 5'6" with B cup breasts and a size 6 body is obese.
I'd like to see you provide proof for this claim.
Come here and measure my friend, who is the girl described and has a BMI index score of 31, which is "obese."
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Then she must have a huge amount of muscle, because I've been searching on Google and the BMIs for girls who are around 5'6 and wear near a size 6 (or even a size 10) have been nowhere near obese.
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I think his point was how messed up the BMI can be at times.
According to the BMI I should be 156 lbs. Even right after AIT in the Army I was never that low. My lowers was 158, and if I wore a med tee shirt you could count all my ribs. I also tested out at 13% body fat that time, and had to be tape tested every single PT test for 3 years because of those charts.
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At 5'6" and size 8 or 10 (granted, a whole bunch of years ago), according to the charts I was obese. Every single doctor I ever saw who took my weight told me to go on a diet. Not one of them bothered with skin caliper fat tests or any other fitness tests or in any other way checked me out to see if I really was overweight - it was always based on weight and height alone.
One year in phys. ed., we had to do the skin caliper thingies, and I was at around 20-22% body fat, not the 30-35% that the chart assumed I was.
I was very strong. I could out-leg press every guy in my grade by well over a hundred pounds, much to their shame.
I have a cousin who's very much the same as I was - freakishly strong, very dense, same as my brothers.
Point being that yeah, those stupid charts are stupid and don't work for everyone.
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At 6'1, 208 lbs, I'm considered overweight according to the BMI chart. It doesn't matter that I go to the gym every day, or that most of my mass is muscle. The chart says I'm overweight, and the chart is all-knowing...
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They just do a really bad job handling people with any amount of lean muscle mass. I know several football players at my college who were off the charts in the BMI, yet could easily have been featured on an Abercrombie poster.
Bodyfat percentage is a much better way of determine whether or not a person is obese. It's just not as simple and accessible as BMI.
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quote:At 6'1, 208 lbs, I'm considered overweight according to the BMI chart. It doesn't matter that I go to the gym every day, or that most of my mass is muscle. The chart says I'm overweight, and the chart is all-knowing...
I'm not particularly fond of the BMI myself, but it must be noted that the chart was designed for those living a sedentary lifestyle. That means not going to the gym. That means not having loads of muscles.
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quote: I'm not particularly fond of the BMI myself, but it must be noted that the chart was designed for those living a sedentary lifestyle. That means not going to the gym. That means not having loads of muscles.
I'm aware of that, and was posting somewhat facetiously. The problem is that the BMI is commonly misconstrued and applied in an improper manner, even by doctors.
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quote:Well, proportional is a purely subjective term, but if you want to treat it objectively, we can refer to our good 'ol pal the BMI, which indicates a woman 5'6" with B cup breasts and a size 6 body is obese.
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OK. Now that I am over my initial shock, what are you trying to say here? Do you actually believe that any girl of those proportions can be considered obese, or even overweight? Your example is one that shows the limitations of the BMI rather than proving your point by any official standard.
Your friend would have to weigh at least 186 lbs to qualify as obese at 5'6". To be a B cup and fit into size 6 clothes, she must have some amazing lean mass! She obviously is nowhere near overweighth, much less obese.
You obviously prefer skinny girls. But don't insult the rest of us by describing anyone size 6 as obese.
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I hate the BMI. Even when I was a size 6 I was overweight by that scale.
I don't know what they base the pediatric height/weight scale on, but it must also be on kids who are mostly sedentary because my daughter who is a gymnast is 14 pounds over the average weight for her age and she is almost an inch shorter than the average height - I don't know how much overweight that would make her but I know my doctor said he completely disregarded the charts in a kid like her. It would be hard to be in better shape than Emily at age 8, she is hard packed muscle and put all of us to shame on the trip to DC. When we were sweating and huffing after a long walk she was fresh as a daisy and practically bounded up the stairs to the Lincoln Memorial. This is a kid who is an athlete, eats wonderfully (one night at a restaurant the server couldn't believe it when she ordered grilled chicken and steamed broccoli and ate every bite) and has excellent cardiovascular health and muscle tone. And she's overweight, according to those stupid charts.
I really wish we could come up with a better way to measure things in kids, because they start picking up on messages very quickly. My six year old asked me if she was fat not long ago. She's six years old! And, by the way, she still wears a size 4 toddler so no, she isn't fat in any stretch of the imagination she's very petite. Kids are already bombarded with the "thin is in" message and then we take them to a pediatrician who if he wasn't as wonderful and observant as mine might slip to the mom in the kid's hearing "oh by the way, she's fourteen pounds overweight by my chart, so watch that." What kind of message would we be sending Emily if we told her she was overweight? I've made sure not to EVER mention it to her and my doctor didn't talk to me about the disparity in the charts in her hearing.
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"the male organ is itsy-bitsy." In most instances, it is actualy missing, having been vandalized.
Actually, I was refering to the figures on Greek pottery. I can tell the difference between itsy-bitsy and smashed off.
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quote:You obviously prefer skinny girls. But don't insult the rest of us by describing anyone size 6 as obese.
I don't think he was saying that. He was saying that a friend of his with those dimensions was classified as obese by the Body Mass Index.
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quote:OK. Now that I am over my initial shock, what are you trying to say here? Do you actually believe that any girl of those proportions can be considered obese, or even overweight? Your example is one that shows the limitations of the BMI rather than proving your point by any official standard.
Exactly. My point was that height-weight proportional is a purely subjective term, as proven by how ridiculous the standard objective scale (BMI) is. I'm sorry if this wasn't clear.
quote:Your friend would have to weigh at least 186 lbs to qualify as obese at 5'6". To be a B cup and fit into size 6 clothes, she must have some amazing lean mass! She obviously is nowhere near overweighth, much less obese.
You obviously prefer skinny girls. But don't insult the rest of us by describing anyone size 6 as obese.
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Huh. I guess I'll have to hear his clarification, because I totally thought he was using this as evidence to justify his definition of proportional meaning girls size 6 and skinnier by saying, "See? The chart says she's obese."
Since the evidence is totally faulty, I was trying to explain that it was a poor way to make his case. It didn't occur to me that he *wasn't* trying to make the above point.
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I'm not sure what the outlying samples is supposed to prove. Since it is a chart, of course it doesn't give a good ideas for 100% of humans.
I'll bet, though, that 90% of the people that are overweight or obese according to the BMI chart are, in fact, overweight or obese.
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quote:Your friend would have to weigh at least 186 lbs to qualify as obese at 5'6". To be a B cup and fit into size 6 clothes, she must have some amazing lean mass! She obviously is nowhere near overweighth, much less obese.
That's different - way higher - than the charts I saw way back when. Back then, from what I recall, the charts indicated obesity at 145 lbs plus for 5'6" females.
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quote:Call it what you want, but I'm attracted primarily to height-weight proportional women. Now that I think about it, I've never gone out (or whatever) with anyone larger than a size...6?
quote:Partly because of where I grew up (Hawaii, with its ridiculously high Asian American pop density), I'm typically much more attracted to east Asian features.
There is nothing wrong with saying "I am generally more attracted to really thin women" or "I am generally more attracted to women with East Asian features."
There is something, well, maybe not wrong, but certainly sad, when you say "I am incapable of being attracted to women who are not extremely thin" or "I am incapable of being attracted to women who do not have East Asian features."
I know you apologized for misinterpretting this already, but I thought I would explain: the key phrases were "attracted primarily" and "typically much more attracted," which to me equate more with "generally more attracted" than with "incapable of being attracted to women who are not."
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According to the chart I just Googled, bev is right about the numbers. And I just don't see how a woman who is 5'6" and 186 lbs could fit into a size 6. I'm 5'6" and when I weighed 186 I wore a 14. Certianly percentage fat vs muscle would affect that, but that much??
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Quid, wow! According to that, I am currently obese. I beg to differ.
Whoever thought up the chart your doctor had was just plain wrong.
Edit: just having checked the chart, could it have been overweight rather than obese? The terms mean different things. I'd be willing to bet that erosomniac was using "obese" in place of "overweight" as well.
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quote:Edit: just having checked the chart, could it have been overweight rather than obese? The terms mean different things. I'd be willing to bet that erosomniac was using "obese" in place of "overweight" as well.
<shrug> "Obese" is the classification she was told by the trainer. I was more than a little surprised, myself.
Also, I realized I've been quoting the wrong height; she's 5'5", not 5'6". My bad.
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Huh. Maybe the trainer is biased about what is normal? He might use the terms interchangably, to the disservice of those he works with.
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quote:Originally posted by beverly: Huh. Maybe the trainer is biased about what is normal? He might use the terms interchangably, to the disservice of those he works with.
That's certainly possible; "obese" definitely has a much more negative ring to it than "overweight" does, and if I was told I was obese (and if I were overweight, so it might even possibly be believable), I'd get much more worried about it.
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BMI says I'm slightly underweight. But y'know, when people say "size," I always wonder if they mean pants or dress. Because I don't know about you, but my pants size and my dress size are totally different.
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No, bev, it was definitely obese. Yeah, it really skewed my self-image being told that. Now, of course, I know the doc and the charts were wonky, but back then?
Oh - one other thing - I realized after I went to bed that it wasn't a BMI chart. It was a height/weight chart with columns for fine, medium, and big boned, and anything above that was labelled obese. But really, I think those charts are even worse. Posts: 8355 | Registered: Apr 2003
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As I think about it, I could see having obesity of most kinds being defined as a mental disorder. If we can commit people against their will for anorexia at the extreme stages, why can't we lock up a 400 pound diabetic?
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