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Forget Murder, Greed, Corporate Invasion, Political Corruption, Religious Capitalism, Cancerous Spreading Ignorance and Hate, Government Terrorism, Poverty or Foreign Terrorism, the biggest, and most dangerous issue facing Americans today is the threat of gay marriage, and homosexuals converting people to put thier peni into the pooh hole of other men.
It is obvious that the Holy Bible finds homosexuality the WORST of all sins, and places it on a much higher pedestal than all other sins, so we as God Loving Americans must exterminate homosexuals and homosexuality NOW!
This is above and beyond the greatest threat to our nation and to The All Mighty God. If we do not act now, all is lost forever and ever.
So let us speak of nothing else but the eradication of homosexuals, and their ways, until the problem is solved, then we can get back to solving the second worst problem plagueing America, abortion.
As we ALL know, once we get rid of homosexuality and abortion, our nation will pretty much be a perfect utopia, safe and kind for all to live in, if only we could get rid of homosexuality and abortion, the two things that lead to 98% of all American problems.
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What really angers me is when people speak out more against homosexuality than child molestation. So it seems like that to me... It drives me beyond insane. Posts: 9942 | Registered: Mar 2003
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Of course, everyone already agrees that child molestation is a horrible thing. The subject doesn't come up as often as homosexuality, I think, but when it does, people are unanimous in speaking out against it. So it's not really valid to complain that no one is speaking out against child molestation.
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quote:What really angers me is when people speak out more against homosexuality than child molestation.
Syn, I understand your frustration...
But both with you and Thor, isn't that just another way getting someone to keep quiet? "You're talking about the wrong thing. No no, don't talk about that, talk about this."
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quote: isn't that just another way getting someone to keep quiet?
Yes. And Synth and I's plan has worked perfectly, we've gotten Hatrack to forget about homoesexuality all together.
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quote: What really angers me is when people speak out more against homosexuality than child molestation.
That happens because everyone knows that molestation is wrong. If there was a group that advocated making molestation legal and making it a norm, then there would be an outcry.
The reason people are speaking out against homosexuality is because other people are saying it is OK. Not so with molestation.
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quote: BTW, why aren't you in Dallas. Slash was asking about you.
Uhhh...Kat...when you made a weird ass reference that I might be some creepy stalker that made you feel unsafe, that pretty much solidified my un-appearence in Dallas.
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My big problem is the way no one can really explain to me why homosexuality is considered wrong without quoating scripture every five seconds. That's what I can't understand. The way it seems like a lot of people view gayness as being worse than, say, rape. It doesn't make any sense to me. Couldn't it be like this: A form of flexibility in which something is viewed as wrong because it's truly harmful and not because a specific religious doctrine says so. Why is it that people can't question and reevaluate (Sp) doctrine instead of saying it is right no matter what and hurting a lot of people in the process?
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What a great idea! I mean I'm so mad I didn't even MENTION that in my post. Crap. I was SO close to becoming the UBER-HOMOPHOBE and then you came in a nd beat me.
Silver whatever,
That is the biggest load of crap I've seen in a while. I tried to explain why people were protesting homosexuality over molestation, and you attacked me. Boy, please.
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You can't build a church with anal sex, but you can build a church with money. That is why it is OK to pick and choose sins. That is why almost all american christian churches agree that homosexuality is the WORST SIN and that greed is good. Greed builds churchs and spreads religion, where anal sex doesn't make money. BUT if you make people feel extra damned for the anal sex, then they will give money to the church to be forgiven.
This is why, the church has embraced greed as a virtue, and damned homosexuality as an unforgiveable sin.
Anal sex never built a church.
Not directly, anyways.
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Great generalization Sun, perfect for making your point...too bad it isn't really ture.
I will repeat what I said earlier, homosexuality is a big deal because people are saying it isn't a sin. If people tried to say greed is OK, then the church should and would take a different stance and attack that.
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quote: If people tried to say greed is OK, then the church should and would take a different stance and attack that.
BULLSHIT.
You lost all credibility now.
Thinking the Church would attack greed?
HHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH
How in hell do you think the Catholic Church collected Billions in Land and Money? How in hell do you think the Baptist Church collected Billions in Land and Money? How in hell do you think the Lutheran Church collected Billions in Land and Money? How in the hell do you think that the LDS Church collected Billions in Land and money?
The church attack greed?
HAHAAAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAH
The church is the one of the great helpers who turned greed into a virtue.
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My God...my position has been ruined by GENERALIZED STATEMENTS WHICH MEAN NOTHING!!
Your way of arguing is simple and crude. Take the worst that an organization has done and ignore the rest. Have you forgotten more than 50% of all homeless shelters and soup kitchens? Have you forgotten the Jesuits, the abolitionists?
Oh wait. They don't mean anything because all that matters is what a few corrupt church officials did in 14th century Spain.
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quote: Have you forgotten more than 50% of all homeless shelters and soup kitchens?
No. Have you forgotten scripture? The rich and the religious need the poor. They are the ones who would lose out by solving poverty, so they do not teach men to fish, they teach men how to accept charity. They do not provide men honest jobs with honest wages with housing kept under honest pricing controls, they provide soup kitchens and homeless shelters.
The religious society does not seek to end poverty, only to milk it.
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And P....don't forget. Religion killed Jesus.
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I think you have a pretty solid 'Capitalist' version of religion going here - that is, there is nothing WRONG with poverty - your frenzy to solve it is more a displaced form of capitalist ethic - the very one you accuse the so called 'churchs' of complying with. Shantih. Shantih.
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"The church is the one of the great helpers who turned greed into a virtue."
I truly have no idea what you mean.
I'll give you the nut shell.
Take sweet william. He's going on and on and on about how Homosexuality is wrong, and he mentions on the side about how George W. Bushes tax cuts are good.
What the F?
America now homes over 300 BILLIONARES. 300 BILLIONARES. George W. is GIVING these people back MONEY. WHY? So the will give him money, a bit of quid pro quo. Do we forget that the minimum wage was supposed to be connected to housing? Yes. Do we forget that the minimum wage hasn't been touched since 1995? Yes. Does the church receive a direct pay off from governement and business? Yes.
The church will not bite the hand that feeds it. That is why the church will attack homosexuality and send it's most powerful armies against the puffs, but it will stay silent against the rise of materialism and rampant corruption in government and business.
So how do the religious benefit from keeping the poor poor? Oh that's right, they're just a division of Microsoft, right?
That's crap and you know it. The reason that such a situation occurs is that there is stagnation and corruption, and since the church is human it fails to be perfect.
To single out religion (in particular Christianity) as you do is folly.
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You're wrong about the church. But if it will not fight corruption and greed now, I will take the helm and make it fight those vices.
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Do you think the church is a one track organization?
Is it not leading the fight to get rid of AIDS in Africa?
Those missions it has trying to help out the poor don't count do they? Because they are "tools of the rich white man," right?
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quote: To single out religion (in particular Christianity) as you do is folly.
Why?
I single out Christianity, for two reasons.
#1 - I am a Son of Christ. I speak to my people about the ills that plague them.
#2 - If a capitalist athiest says he doesn't believe in God and loves to make money, and then goes out and acts like he doesn't believe in God and he loves money. He is honest. If a Christian man comes out and says he doesn't love money and he loves God, but acts as if he doesn't love God and he loves money. That is great sin against his fellow man.
And -P-
What darkness religion do you belong to that teaches you to call people who are AGAINST deficit building tax cuts for Billionares "Karl Marx" fans?
Does your wacko religion teach you Jesus was a Darwin Capitalist?
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quote: No. Have you forgotten scripture? The rich and the religious need the poor. They are the ones who would lose out by solving poverty, so they do not teach men to fish, they teach men how to accept charity. They do not provide men honest jobs with honest wages with housing kept under honest pricing controls, they provide soup kitchens and homeless shelters.
The religious society does not seek to end poverty, only to milk it.
Which put me in mind to think Marx.
I personally think the tax cut is a crappy idea all around [edited in: because it is an attempt at trickle down economics, not because it gives money back to the public], but I still think that homosexuality is a problem.
quote: #1 - I am a Son of Christ. I speak to my people about the ills that plague them.
Please tell me that I misunderstood your comment. Are you saying that you are a Christian or Christ?
quote: #2 - If a capitalist athiest says he doesn't believe in God and loves to make money, and then goes out and acts like he doesn't believe in God and he loves money. He is honest. If a Christian man comes out and says he doesn't love money and he loves God, but acts as if he doesn't love God and he loves money. That is great sin against his fellow man.
This is a problem. Hypocrisy is an incredibly annoying sin, but that still doesn't change the church's stance on homosexuality and it shouldn't change it either.
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quote: Are you saying that you are a Christian or Christ?
I am a son of Christ. I am a Child of God. (We Are All the Children of God)
To me the modern definition of a Christian is someone who accepts Jesus Christ as their Lord an Savior...but that's as far as they go.
To accept Jesus as Lord and Savior, and to WORK to be Like Christ, to walk the God road, are two seperate things.
quote: Pot, you see, he's the Messiah. It doesn't pay much, but the business cards look great.
Kat, doesn't your belief have a living prophet who talks directly to God, and 12 apostles who council on stuff? And didn't your #1 prophet turn wine to water?
Oh, how I must sound a bit crazy.
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I am not argueing that homosexuality is a virtue, I am agreeing that it is in all regards a sin, but why does the CHURCH pick on homosexuality so much? Why does it give so much weight to homosexuality over the 100's of sins plaguing our nation and this world today?
Why?
Because the church is WEAK and Homosexuality is WEAK, so Homosexuality is about the only fight the church can afford to fight.
That's what I believe.
You may be one of the people who doesn't judge a church by it's actions, but I do. Our society is going to shit, and for all of the church's money, power and influence, it is toothless.
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Another difference, a modern Christian is TOLD by a Church how to live, think, believe, a son of God should seek out God for himself, and find out 1st hand what it is God wills.
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And then, of course, there are those churches that tell people to seek out God and find out first-hand what it is God wills. You know, like the LDS Church.
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Can we at least determine which church you're talking about, Sun? Cuz you've totally lost me with your lumping-them-all-together.
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Real quick, though, you reject my thoughts on why homosexuals are such a big deal to the church?
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quote: And then, of course, there are those churches that tell people to seek out God and find out first-hand what it is God wills. You know, like the LDS Church.
Yes. And there are also churches like the Roman Catholic Church where being homosexual is not a sin in and of itself . That's one of the biggest Catholic myths I've ever heard. You might want to stop generalizing and start singling out some specific churches.
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He does make some interesting points though. It really, really doesn't make any sense to me at all... Posts: 9942 | Registered: Mar 2003
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quote: Another difference, a modern Christian is TOLD by a Church how to live, think, believe, a son of God should seek out God for himself, and find out 1st hand what it is God wills.
At what point does this start and end? Since the church (Presbyterian, at least) says that the Bible is the final authority on all religious matters. Now I agree that you can't let a particular religious leader force feed you something, but do believe that there is a limit?
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quote:quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Pot, you see, he's the Messiah. It doesn't pay much, but the business cards look great. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Kat, doesn't your belief have a living prophet who talks directly to God, and 12 apostles who council on stuff? And didn't your #1 prophet turn wine to water?
Oh, how I must sound a bit crazy.
Exactly.
Thor needs to know the religion of whomever he is talking to, so when questioned or pressed, he can attack. He can pull out his Standard Book of Insults and try to silence them.
Just remember that - you're talking to someone who is convinced he's a god. It explains a lot.
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What darkness religion do you belong to that teaches you to call people who are AGAINST deficit building tax cuts for Billionares "Karl Marx" fans?
I am not a billionare. I like the tax rebates or whatever you call them.
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And as for the whole gay thing, I have friends who are gay and my only gripe is the whole resistance is futile thing. You will be assimilated....
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Potemkyn, qsysue, I know y'all are new around here, so here's a word of advice: Thor just gets like this sometimes and feels like he needs to rant and make sweeping statements that will most likely offend someone. Arguing with him and telling him not to do that really won't get you anywhere. All you'll get is more of the same. So the best thing to do is just wait around until he's calmed down and starts posting really funny stuff again.
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