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Lisa
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A less charitable person might say that a country which doesn't mind when this happens to others kind of deserves this.

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The title of this thread is not even remotely true.
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Or conversely, a less charitable person might say that a country which has stolen land from another ought to be applauded, not criticised, if they give it back freely. Especially if that person upholds such claims after 2000 years of occupation.

Would anyone like to summarise the video? Can't view them at work, and hate videos anyway. They take forever.

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they're closing off public access for now to a section of national park near the border because it's gotten dangerous there due to drug smuggling/human smuggling activities.

video is fox news outrage-mining it for all it is worth.

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Then we would have to ask what entitles a country or nation to a piece of land. I would love to set of rules on this that weren't generally arbitrary. Of course that is why things tend to come down to the fact that people simply own what they can control.
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Lisa, why do you think it is acceptable to lie in order to promote your political agenda, but do not think it is acceptable for people to tell lies about Jews or Israel?
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quote:
Originally posted by Black Fox:
Then we would have to ask what entitles a country or nation to a piece of land. I would love to set of rules on this that weren't generally arbitrary. Of course that is why things tend to come down to the fact that people simply own what they can control.

Well, if Lisa likes the nation, they should have lots of land; and if she dislikes the nation, they are not entitled to any land. Simple!
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Like seriously, the title of this thread represents yet more of an unerring commitment to bias and mistruth.

AMOUNT OF ARIZONA CEDED TO MEXICO BY OBAMA, IN ACRES: 0

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More of the usual blatant distortions by liberals! Mere trickery with figures! Come now, tell the truth: What happens if you add more significant digits? Wouldn't we find that the real number was something closer to 0.4? Maybe 0.49? You can't fool us with your "rounding-off"!
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That was funny.
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quote:
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Originally posted by Black Fox:
Then we would have to ask what entitles a country or nation to a piece of land. I would love to set of rules on this that weren't generally arbitrary. Of course that is why things tend to come down to the fact that people simply own what they can control.

Well, if Lisa likes the nation, they should have lots of land; and if she dislikes the nation, they are not entitled to any land. Simple!
I will admit that I laughed a lot when I read that.
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Waaaaait .5 of an acre is my backyard swamp!!!! RABBLE RABBLE!! RABBLE RABBLE!! RABBLE RABBLE!! RABBLE RABBLE!!
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Wait, this is what qualifies as the "news" portion of Fox News?

Am I totally off-base in thinking that Bush was never treated with such off-handed disrespect on any of the other stations during their News programs, by reporters? I mean, she sarcastically makes airqoutes and mocks the Obama's words.

I know it's been said a million times, but Fox is doing something quite dishonest representing some of their shows as they do. If it's a political show, if it's aimed at a particular viewpoint, it ought not to masquerade as the news. Be Jon Stewart or Bill O'Reilly and be "newsy," but don't actually try and "be" the news.

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We are giving our precious sand to Mexico!
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No!!!! NOOOOOO!!!!!!! :smashes glass: They invade Arizona, and we fall back, they attempt to assimilate into entire states without appropriate paperword, and we fall back. Not again. The line must be formed HERE! This far, no further! And *I* will make them APPLY, for what they've doing!
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quote:
Originally posted by Orincoro:


Am I totally off-base in thinking that Bush was never treated with such off-handed disrespect on any of the other stations during their News programs, by reporters? I mean, she sarcastically makes airqoutes and mocks the Obama's words.

I know it's been said a million times, but Fox is doing something quite dishonest representing some of their shows as they do. If it's a political show, if it's aimed at a particular viewpoint, it ought not to masquerade as the news. Be Jon Stewart or Bill O'Reilly and be "newsy," but don't actually try and "be" the news.

Yeah, you kind of are, but it's okay. It's hard to see the flaws in your own side, and easy to see them in others. This isn't meant as a jab at you, either. Just a general observation. I think everyone does it.

A quick example to illustrate "unbiased" reporters slamming Bush: Susan Roesgen, a CNN reporter, once made a giggly comment about how an anti-war protester wearing a Bush-as-Hitler mask was a presidential "lookalike."

Reporters everywhere have their own biases, and it absolutely shows. Fox News reporters are just the only ones who generally fall on the other side from you, and so it's more obvious to you.

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You broke your little state.
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It's a start. Can we give back Texas, too?
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in general fox news is guilty of more observable disinformation and more consistent and purposeful skew than the other news stations, but that's because it is their purposeful intent. The business strategy is to use partisanship to increase saleability. It works.

No other station will give you Fox Nation, for instance.

fox also consistently ranks the lowest in terms of providing non-misleading news. Like, if you watch fox news, your accurate portrayal of objectively truthful news facts goes down.

But this has been talked to death soooo

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Originally posted by Dan_Frank:


Reporters everywhere have their own biases, and it absolutely shows. Fox News reporters are just the only ones who generally fall on the other side from you, and so it's more obvious to you.

Again with the equivocation. I don't believe it's possible that they're all different and yet must be "equally different," or however it's put. Fox may be worse about this- it's an honest supposition. Since I don't live in the states, I don't have much perspective to draw on, but every clip I see, and I mean every clip, from Fox on politics is dripping with bias. I don't honestly remember that being the case on any network, including Fox, 6 years ago.

So, as to your assumption about me, I don't see how my "side" acts because I don't see a lot of American television. I *remember* how my "side" acted before, and I remember it being better. Clips I see from other news sources are not so jarringly overt- and trust me, I am a liberal but I know what I'm looking at. I do see some bias in all of them, just *more* with Fox.

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Originally posted by Samprimary:

No other station will give you Fox Nation, for instance.

Woooowww. Have some fun and use the find feature in firefox, and click on "highlight all" and then type "Obama."

30 stories, no exaggeration, *all* negative.


Eta: You know this site is fairly disgusting. I got lured into reading an "article" titled: "Perez Hilton Could face 36 years in Prison for Child Porn"

Right, so, naturally you assume the FBI raided a bunker full of beta tapes depicting underage sex acts? No, he re-posted to a website a photo of a 17 year old girl with exposed genitals. Scummy- but child porn? The man hasn't been charged with a crime, and probably won't be. So Fox is ok with re-posting this libel to their site? What kind of message is that from the freedom police? What the hell kind of message is this whole site? It screams "my father hit me and I think I deserved it."

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Ha! It's just a clever ruse to draw more Mexicans into AZ so the state troopers can pull them over for driving brown.

We should see if we can get Vancouver from Canada. Maybe we can bump the whole country up a few miles.

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quote:
Originally posted by Orincoro:
No!!!! NOOOOOO!!!!!!! :smashes glass: They invade Arizona, and we fall back, they attempt to assimilate into entire states without appropriate paperword, and we fall back. Not again. The line must be formed HERE! This far, no further! And *I* will make them APPLY, for what they've doing!

And Orincoro wins the thread.
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It's a start. Can we give back Texas, too?

Texas has oil. If we give it back, we'll just have to send a peacekeeping mission to Mexico next year.

Oh, that might let us figt the war on terror in their country, and will have the added benefit that they would then have to deport American illegals who move to Texico to work in the oil business.

Delicious!

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What a bizarre thread. We should turn this into a thread of overly dramaticized, Fox-like headlines.
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We have been forced to invade Mexico in an attempt to curb rampant Christian Fundamentalism in their state of Texas. Jesus hates freedom!
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TESHI HIJACKS YOUR THREAD: Should this out-of-control poster be banned from everything forever?

WE REPORT, YOU DECIDE.

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Juxtapose: Some people say he's dangerous: too much, too fast, too far. Can he be trusted with your thread's future? We hear from both sides -- tonight.
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quote:
Originally posted by MightyCow:
quote:
Originally posted by kmbboots:
It's a start. Can we give back Texas, too?

Texas has oil. If we give it back, we'll just have to send a peacekeeping mission to Mexico next year.

Oh, that might let us figt the war on terror in their country, and will have the added benefit that they would then have to deport American illegals who move to Texico to work in the oil business.

Delicious!

BRB LOL'ing [Big Grin]
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quote:
Originally posted by TomDavidson:
Juxtapose: Some people say he's dangerous: too much, too fast, too far. Can he be trusted with your thread's future? We hear from both sides -- tonight.

Is TomDavidson using Juxtapose's neutral reporting in an attempt to fear monger and sow dissent?

Tune in later to see how Tom might be subverting democracy.

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I've been spending some time with the Founding Fathers. And they bought Lyrhawn . They bought Lyrhawn while the Nazis didn't because they knew that Lyrhawn has intrinsic value. Pray on it and then decide. To buy Lyrhawn.
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*sniff* I remember back in the 50s, when people were too decent to hijack threads on the Internet... It all comes down to the socialist agenda that's taking over the board and, I'll be honest, I'm afraid... Afraid for the board, afraid for my country...
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You know what I remember about the fifties? COMMUNISM. You see what Sterling is doing here don't you? Playing on your emotions with thoughts of longing for a simpler time...but what he really wants to do is open the door for the Communist menace to reenter our daily lives.
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Is this thread Lyrhawn's Katrina?
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No, it's clearly Black Fox's Scooter Libby, or it might be Mucus's shooting a guy in the face.
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quote:
Originally posted by Teshi:
What a bizarre thread. We should turn this into a thread of overly dramaticized, Fox-like headlines.

In Soviet Russia, thread hijacks you
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We're here on the scene with a 'news report' with someone who has been enlisted ahead of time to provide an entirely partisan 'report' of the scene. We're going straight to this guy right now for some outraged agitprop. He's on the phone. Hi! This is a family forum, so I'm just gonna ask you: what the heck is going on here?
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Hi sam. I'm here on site in the thread, and let me tell you, what's going on here is completely terrible. What has the world come to when threads come to this. I know certain people are supposed to be in charge of it but it is so obvious that they are acting on an agenda and don't care. It's like we've all forgotten the Constitution. I swear the same sort of thing happened in Hitler's day.
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Has Sam even registered on this board? Where is the proof? Where are the documents?
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New Hatrack moderator announced amid flurry of accusations.

Are YOUR children and organs safe? Details ahead.

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I don't know. Sam spent a lot of time on other boards when he was younger.
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News anti-tease:
"Later, we'll explain that your kids might be chatting with strangers on the Internet, and that this has a small chance of turning out badly. You can fix this by paying more attention to what they are doing. Stay tuned for a less concise delivery of the same information!"

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The controversy on Hatrack continues. Will the forum dissolve into a meaningless exchange of memes?

Also, stay tuned to find out whether YOU should be afraid of the dark.

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quote:
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Has Sam even registered on this board? Where is the proof? Where are the documents?

He has a "date of registration" in 2005, but what we're looking for is a "registration date," which is not in evidence anywhere.

Also I believe that Sam is a Muslim.

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In 6000+ posts Sam has failed to mention "Hatrack exceptionalism" even once. Why does he hate Hatrack?
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Because he's a hater. Sam hates Hatrack, and Israel, and Freedom.

I'm putting him in my axis of terror.

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And come on. Really?

Samprimary

Sam Primary

When I think of Sam, I picture Uncle Sam i.e. America.

I think of Primary, I think of exceptional i.e. elitist i.e. Aryan Super Race i.e. Hitler.

So, clearly, Samprimary is a front for a not-so well hidden, socialist, elitist, fascist campaign to covert our great America into the Fourth Reich.

Come on. How can you not see it?

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Boy, I obviously don't watch enough Fox News.
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At the risk of making this a Serious Thread™ again, has anybody actually bothered to check the facts on this "news" "story"? Apparently this strip of the wildlife refuge was closed four years ago, and violence is down since then (though it's still closed).

link

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